Attached link is a survey we did a while back. Is the PLSS data sheets worth the extra time or is the plat sufficient??
http://geostor-plats.geostor.org/Greene/JB4135.pdf
Surveyor In Training, post: 439850, member: 10308 wrote: Attached link is a survey we did a while back. Is the PLSS data sheets worth the extra time or is the plat sufficient??
As a business decision, hard to say, but I suppose you're set up to generate those data sheets pretty quickly.
But professionally--Wow! I think it's great, and not just bells and whistles great, but a real help to following surveyors and the actual client.
In Oklahoma we are required to prepare a document something like that and record it every time we find a PLSS corner that isn't exactly in accordance with the last recorded CCR. As a matter of fact yours looks a great deal nicer. As Frozen North says your clients may or may not appreciate them. But over time you will collect enough of these to make your files worth money to someone when you go to retire.
I like those, are the sheets filed separately as corner records, or are they filed with the plat?
If I show coordinates I will include the Epoch, and you may want to say somewhere that they are in feet (I'm guessing its not meters).
MightyMoe, post: 439863, member: 700 wrote: I like those, are the sheets filed separately as corner records, or are they filed with the plat?
If I show coordinates I will include the Epoch, and you may want to say somewhere that they are in feet (I'm guessing its not meters).
This survey plat is the filed copy at the state website, so this is all filed together.
This is not an official corner certificate.
Here is a link to what they look like.
http://surveyor.arkansas.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Land_Corner_Restoration_Certificate.pdf
It is not a common practice in our county to file corner certificates. We are actually in the process of getting a contract with the state to set state monuments and file corner certificates.
And that is a good suggestion!
Surveyor In Training, post: 439850, member: 10308 wrote: Attached link is a survey we did a while back. Is the PLSS data sheets worth the extra time or is the plat sufficient??
I really like these data sheets, in Colorado we are required to submit monument records to the state but not with this detail. Some surveyors don't even bother showing the bearing or set tags on fence posts that are not stable. I like the location, that would take the guess work out of replacing a destroyed monument in the future.
One suggestion bearings to the second and distances to the hundredth on poles and pedestals is a little over kill.
Surveyor In Training, post: 439850, member: 10308 wrote: Attached link is a survey we did a while back. Is the PLSS data sheets worth the extra time or is the plat sufficient??
Those are called Corner Monument Records here - mandatory if a PLSS corner is monumented and no Record of Survey map recorded.
An aside aimed at the descriptions. It would be helpful to include what certain calls are running with when there is a definite thing. For example: Thence north 0 degrees 20 minutes 14 seconds west along the quarter section line, 188.47 feet. Or, even better, along the west line of the southeast quarter of said section....................... I believe that is what you are intending to achieve in certain calls. Adding the specific qualifier clears up the future issue of an expert measurer running a new line at the record bearing, as they determine it, rather than along the intended aliquot boundary line.
Holy Cow, post: 440020, member: 50 wrote: An aside aimed at the descriptions. It would be helpful to include what certain calls are running with when there is a definite thing. For example: Thence north 0 degrees 20 minutes 14 seconds west along the quarter section line, 188.47 feet. Or, even better, along the west line of the southeast quarter of said section....................... I believe that is what you are intending to achieve in certain calls. Adding the specific qualifier clears up the future issue of an expert measurer running a new line at the record bearing, as they determine it, rather than along the intended aliquot boundary line.
It's funny how every region of the country has different ways of writing survey descriptions. In our area, descriptions are written like this. Its worked well for us for the last 25 years.
That brings up an interesting topic or question. When a surveyor sets up shop for himself, does he keep up the traditions of his teacher or does he go down his own path and do things differently?
For example, The surveyor my father worked under had a typewriter that typed the symbol for degree. When my father obtained his license and started his company, his typewriter didn't have that, so he wrote the words out. As you can tell, we never broke the habbit of writing the words out. Also, the surveyors who obtained license under my father and went out on their own, kept up the tradition.
You have hit on one of the key purposes of sites such as this. We all now have the opportunity to learn from a very large number of others who are working in nearly identical circumstances. We have the ability to choose to embrace new thoughts and we have the ability to ignore them. Despite having two decades of professional surveying experience prior to discovering the predecessors to this site, as it is now known, I have modified quite a number of my own practices based on the exposure to alternatives that have been presented here. We no longer need to be limited by our own past.
I had a cad tech tell me "that's not how we do things in _____ town." I proceeded to print out the TBPLS rule showing that it was required to be done that way as well as a copy of the penalty matrix showing how much I, as the RPLS, would be fined if we failed to do it that way. He was not pleased with me and did things not long afterward that caused him to be fired. I'm not offering an opinion on the OP's field notes, but just because something's customary doesn't mean it's correct or adequate.
Surveyor In Training, post: 440055, member: 10308 wrote: The surveyor my father worked under had a typewriter that typed the symbol for degree. When my father obtained his license and started his company, his typewriter didn't have that, so he wrote the words out.
An office I was working in wanted degrees ,minutes, seconds, written out in full. The reason? So that copies of copies of faxes of copies in the future would be more readable. I pointed out that any legal written today was likely to be passed around in digital format in the future, and be just as fresh a hundred years from now as it is on the day it is created (or completely corrupted and useless). I was not overly popular that day.
Mark Mayer, post: 440195, member: 424 wrote: An office I was working in wanted degrees ,minutes, seconds, written out in full. The reason? So that copies of copies of faxes of copies in the future would be more readable. I pointed out that any legal written today was likely to be passed around in digital format in the future, and be just as fresh a hundred years from now as it is on the day it is created (or completely corrupted and useless). I was not overly popular that day.
Yeah, but after the EMP detonation, it's gonna be back to the mimeograph. 😉
SIT,
I suggest a more detailed explanation of the evidence you found (GLO corner) and the methods used to "set" the Sections corners.
I appears that the NE corner was set on an 'extension' an the NW corner??? how?
Suggest the GPS form explain classification...A, B, or C...original evidence , perpetuation of original evidencr, or BLM proportion.
DDSM
Excellent point, DDSM. Apparently, no attempt was made to find the true center corner, if there was one in place. Nor the west quarter corner. I have no idea why the northeast corner was set on this survey as it has no influence on the area surveyed. How it got set cannot be determined by the information provided.
A pet peeve of mine, based on many years of experience is subdividing a section without finding or setting those corners that would control. In this case, west quarter corner, center corner, and the nw and se corners of the subject quarter-quarter for which a description is written.
Holy Cow, post: 440232, member: 50 wrote: Excellent point, DDSM. Apparently, no attempt was made to find the true center corner, if there was one in place. Nor the west quarter corner. I have no idea why the northeast corner was set on this survey as it has no influence on the area surveyed. How it got set cannot be determined by the information provided.
A pet peeve of mine is re-subdividing a section 50 years after the lines have been established. (What are the mathematic dimension of a square acre...another pet peeve)...
Zoom a Google earth of the supplied lat/long.
SIT gives a link to Arkansas' plat/corner records...a search will find use/recovery of established 1/16th corner monuments in the section.
DDSM
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Very interesting. Footsteps are very, very important to follow.
Mark Mayer, post: 440195, member: 424 wrote: An office I was working in wanted degrees ,minutes, seconds, written out in full. The reason? So that copies of copies of faxes of copies in the future would be more readable. I pointed out that any legal written today was likely to be passed around in digital format in the future, and be just as fresh a hundred years from now as it is on the day it is created (or completely corrupted and useless). I was not overly popular that day.
We have a State statute that mandates font height for ALL recorded documents. It makes me smile every time I seal something that is going to be recorded because the font height mandated by the State for the seal is smaller...
Jim in AZ, post: 440554, member: 249 wrote: It makes me smile every time I seal something that is going to be recorded because the font height mandated by the State for the seal is smaller..
I had a county reviewer redline a record of survey for the font in my stamp being too small. I had scaled my stamp block to 0.9 because of space issues. Busted.