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I was perusing a 1973 survey this weekend which described found or set nails, concrete mon's, iron pipes, et cetera and one item referred to as a "Hi-Boy". In my 25-years-plus of surveying or at least indirectly involved with same, I have never seen such a description. There is a specialized tractor known as a Hi-Boy but setting such an implement as a monument doesn't make a lot of sense (unless it was an axle from one). If anyone here knows what a "Hi-Boy" is surveying-wise, I would appreciate it. Definitely a new one to me, and quite possibly a local/regional term.

Thank you very much in advance.


The only superior evidence is that which you haven't yet found.

 
Posted : June 6, 2016 7:06 am
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SellmanA, post: 375768, member: 8564 wrote: one item referred to as a "Hi-Boy".

Where's it at; did you go looking for it?

If'n it's not to far, maybe I might go with you...:-)


 
Posted : June 6, 2016 8:02 am
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Makes me remember my beer drinking days and "tall boys".


 
Posted : June 6, 2016 8:31 am
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Or a "hi-boy" ford pickup truck


 
Posted : June 6, 2016 8:06 pm
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What is the context? Setting a corner or setting a traverse point?


 
Posted : June 6, 2016 8:58 pm

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Consider what a Hi-Boy table looks like.

I would surmise they set a traverse point and boxed it in with 3 or 4 tall lath and wrapped a ribbon cage around it.

Paul in PA


 
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Paul in PA, post: 375920, member: 236 wrote: Consider what a Hi-Boy table looks like.

I would surmise they set a traverse point and boxed it in with 3 or 4 tall lath and wrapped a ribbon cage around it.

Paul in PA

Paul I remember Perry ??? The rplser from the northeast NH I think describing running traverse thru the woods. They'd cut off a 4" tree on the line and leave it up about 3.5 ft. And put a nail in it with some shank exposed -the gun could set over it and it functioned as the backsight on it's own -no need to retrieve a piece of equipment. I wonder if that is the case here?


 
Posted : June 6, 2016 9:15 pm
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Rankin_File, post: 375925, member: 101 wrote: Paul I remember Perry ??? The rplser from the northeast NH I think describing running traverse thru the woods. They'd cut off a 4" tree on the line and leave it up about 3.5 ft. And put a nail in it with some shank exposed -the gun could set over it and it functioned as the backsight on it's own -no need to retrieve a piece of equipment. I wonder if that is the case here?

They called that a "high point", I believe.


 
Posted : June 6, 2016 9:17 pm
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I shot an e-mail to one of the surveyors whose stamp was on the ROS and is still practicing, and he very kindly responded.

Apparently, a "Hi-Boy" was an elderberry or alder staff about 6' long or so and placed alongside a property corner or line stake, with flagging as high up on it as possible.

Mystery solved.


The only superior evidence is that which you haven't yet found.

 
Posted : June 7, 2016 1:36 pm
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SellmanA, post: 376028, member: 8564 wrote: Apparently, a "Hi-Boy" was an elderberry or alder staff about 6' long or so and placed alongside a property corner or line stake, with flagging as high up on it as possible.

I was told, in Western Washington, that this was called a "Baldy". Must be a regional thing...B-)


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 4:34 pm

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Rankin_File, post: 375925, member: 101 wrote: Paul I remember Perry ??? The rplser from the northeast NH I think describing running traverse thru the woods. They'd cut off a 4" tree on the line and leave it up about 3.5 ft. And put a nail in it with some shank exposed -the gun could set over it and it functioned as the backsight on it's own -no need to retrieve a piece of equipment. I wonder if that is the case here?

That be Perry Williams.....stand up bass player and surveyor....wonder what he's been up to....


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 4:43 pm
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RADAR, post: 376053, member: 413 wrote: I was told, in Western Washington, that this was called a "Baldy". Must be a regional thing...B-)

Perhaps it's a follicly-challenged, vertically-gifted male youngster? Ya gotta wonder...


The only superior evidence is that which you haven't yet found.

 
Posted : June 7, 2016 5:19 pm
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Could have guessed for a week and not come up with the correct answer.


 
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Holy Cow, post: 376081, member: 50 wrote: Could have guessed for a week and not come up with the correct answer.

Which is why I'm thankful the PLS responded. It would be great to have a database of some sort with local/regional/colloquial terminology of various surveying terms cross-referenced; it could be of considerable benefit IMO for those who need to find and retrace the footsteps of surveyors past.


The only superior evidence is that which you haven't yet found.

 
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I have heard them called "Forest Service hubs" in King County.


 
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It can be most troublesome when various assorted items are called out on ROS's using local terms versus a specific, broadly-understood identifier. Ambiguities result if positive identification becomes lost to history; in this case, I was fortunate.


The only superior evidence is that which you haven't yet found.

 
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SellmanA, post: 376028, member: 8564 wrote: Apparently, a "Hi-Boy" was an elderberry or alder staff about 6' long or so and placed alongside a property corner or line stake, with flagging as high up on it as possible.

That would have been my guess, but I didn't think it would have been something typically reported on a record of survey. Around these parts we call it a high pole and set them typically in the woods as witness posts for better visibility.

While we're on the subject of regional terms and abbreviations, my extended family had a survey done in New York state and they sent me a copy of the survey. On it, all corners were abbreviated. Some with "IPF" (simple enough to decipher), but a couple were labeled "IPFF". Couldn't figure out what that meant, maybe just a typo?


 
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Iron pin found f***ed up.


 
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"Iron Pipe Found Flush (with ground)", perhaps? More likely a typo unless the height of others were called out.


The only superior evidence is that which you haven't yet found.

 
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