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MightyMoe
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I'm not sure there actually is a correct term for this:

I need to describe the area a location is in. On a GLO plat it describes the area as Section 2 (Unsurveyed), also it shows the Section lines as projected lines and on a different document it calls it a protracted Section.?ÿ

So I'm left with three possibilities; unsurveyed, projected, protracted.?ÿ

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Posted : June 26, 2020 10:25 am
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I think that "protracted" is the proper term, BUT I'm not really sure.

I would first ask the question, "why am I here."

In other words, what do the "official documents" say?

Is it an Oil/Gas Lease (if so, then how is it described/worded)?

Is it a Patented Mining Claim (if so, then what does the Patent say)?

Is it a Water Right Survey (if so, then what does the Master Title Plat or Cadastral Supplemental Plat say)?

And so on and so forth...

Not much help here (as usual).

Loyal

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Posted : June 26, 2020 11:40 am
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@loyal

Good points, the Master Title Plat is blank for the Section, it's a POD so not a big deal, I have one Section corner to tie to, but they want a described location for it. There are some MS and HES tracts in the township but not in this section. 


 
Posted : June 26, 2020 12:43 pm
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You probably know what I would suggest but I might be biased, :). Over here on the edge, we have protracted townships filled with protracted blocks (looking much like sections).?ÿ

@Loyal has some good ideas and suggestions.?ÿ You can always resort to the manual which says a fair amount. The meaning of the term seems to vary through time and context.?ÿ

Protraction Diagrams Plan of Survey3 -12.

Protraction diagrams have been prepared for substantially all unsurveyed areas in the public domain. Such diagrams are prepared to describe unsurveyed land areas. A protraction diagram is not, and is not intended to be, a substitute for an official survey. Protraction dia-grams consist of drawn lines that follow the public land survey system but are not an actual survey. They do not involve a field survey with monumentation and hence no monuments on the ground. They represent the plan for the extension of the rectangular system over unsurveyed lands, following the general scheme as outlined earlier. They are constructed based upon the following rules as far as practicable. For discussion on preparation of pro-traction diagrams see sections 3-138 through 3-157.

Protraction Diagramsƒ??Plan of Survey3 -138.

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Protraction diagrams should not be treated as ƒ??pro-tracted subdivision township surveys.ƒ? The latter typi-cally have run and marked exterior township lines and protracted section lines. The protracted section lines are represented as dashed lines indicating that they were not run and marked and the distances given are parenthetical distances.

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Posted : June 26, 2020 7:45 pm
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I won't venture an opinion without all the background information, but I congratulate you for realizing that is it would not be appropriate to just refer to this area an a normal section.?ÿ Surprisingly many surveyors don't see any problems with referencing non existent sections , or treating protracted surveys as definitive locations.?ÿ


 
Posted : June 27, 2020 9:26 am

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@protracted

Thank you!! I've always used protracted, if the regulators have any issue with that I'll send them some of the manual references you listed. Protracted sections have caused some concern since the GIS era. I always send questioners the plats along state boundaries showing Sections across the state line. They don't really exist of course, but it's easier to believe with the state line cutting though the township.


 
Posted : June 29, 2020 6:59 am