I have my hard hat sticker from metro north.
I beg your pardon?
I was trying to save your ignorant little *ss a hefty fine ($10,000 - $27,000). If you're willing to risk that, be my guest. You're the guy that asked for information, not me. Oh, by the way, you will rarely find a group more dedicated to safety and following the rules than railroad personnel, and they are REQUIRED to report activity in the ROW, and they do it constantly.
I don't need you to save me. I am perfectly capable of understanding the risks.
The main reason union members are so concerned about safety is because the more flaggers they have, the more union jobs there are.
> I have my hard hat sticker from metro north.
I have had hard hat stickers for NJ Transit, Amtrak, CSX. All good for one year, then refresh again. Last time NJ Transit issued photo ID cards (again only good for a year), have to be worn in a refelctive elastic band on your arm, so the RR personnel can see it more quickly as they go by.
Did your e mails wind up in a "Spam" folder. As stated below--phone call or visit or Return receipt correspondence.
> Did your e mails wind up in a "Spam" folder. As stated below--phone call or visit or Return receipt correspondence.
or maybe they wound up in the 'arrogant dick' folder aka 'deleted items'. i have a way of not returning phone calls when someone comes across as a jerk. life is too short to deal with some people.
No, just hate to see a @#$k bag like you get hurt.
If I wanted your garbage in this thread, I'd have asked for it. Who are you, Richard Trumpka?
About a year ago here an experienced survey crew member got ran over on local tracks. You wonder how it could happen, but it does. Be careful. Find a local office and go there in person.
A bit surprised at this......safety is not a "union" matter. In 2010, a total of 4,690 workers died from injuries they suffered at work. That works out to one U.S. worker dying every 2 hours from a work-related injury.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard similar sentiments, yet work place accidents happen ALL THE TIME, even though nobody thinks it will happen to them.
Tommy, it sounds like you you work for a company that has a lot of work in a lot of different states.....maybe you should consult with your firm's insurance company.
And really, the politics of it is just a straw dog....you can't tell me you don't want maximum saftey for all your field personnel, can you?
Some graphs and statistics:
> How do you survey something in a railroad r.o.w. if the railroad refuses to acknowledge your emails?
Most times, they will not respond to a "cold-call" type e-mail. I'd start with a registered letter to their operations department.
They are going to want to see a letter on company stationary, and they're going to want to know about your insurance and safety training. Mention your client's name as well, and be specific about what you need to do on their ROW.
Charles
Yes, but I've NEVER seen one with monumented rights-of-ways around here, so we use the centerline, and it's a great place to start anyway.
Kris
I always thought the same way in all surveys regarding railroad locations. After attending a Seminar last November, Railroad Surveying 101, presented by Charlie Tucker, this was a real eyeopener pertaining to surveying anything having to do with railroads and methods of locating their rights of way. Anyone in the surveying profession, whether licensed or technicians needs to attend one of these Seminars.
[sarcasm]Trade your hi-viz vests for ghillie suits.
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Kris
I agree with you both:
The Railroad Surveying 101 seminar by Charlie Tucker is a must for every surveyor. I attended his Dallas seminar in 1997 and returned with a wealth of information. Wish I had the digital version.
In the last 40+ years of East Texas surveying experience, I've never seen a r/w monument along a railroad unless it was also a TxDOT monument. Center line of existing rails and any existing features with stations as shown on the RR maps are a must in relocating the r/w around here. Many times the existing deeds for railroad land bring forth some info not on the maps.
My oldest son Luke works for BNSF in track maintenance, also certified as a foreman and rail inspector. He is also a surveyor. The railroad has their safety rules because it is dangerous work, not because of the union. Yes, some union rules and regs are archaic and seem senseless, but safety must be paramount on and around the rails.
If anyone is surveying on BNSF tracks in Oregon, WA, or northern ID into western MT I can provide contact info about getting permits, training, etc.
Be safe,
Scott
> I'm sorry, but if you are stupid enough to get run over by a train, you are improving the gene pool.
I thought you asked how to survey in a right-of-way if they won't acknowledge your email? It sounds like you already know and are too good to get permission. Tired of P&R and trying to pick a fight in Surveying?
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