Thought I might put some numbers together if I can get a large enough number of replies.
Q1: When weighing found evidence at an obliterated quarter corner; how important is it that the point be on a line between the two opposing section corners? On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 represents no importance and 10 represents max importance.
Q2: How many years have you been surveying?
(This was just the main disagreement we chewed on at the office today.)
I love the phrase "opposing section corners."
Just tickles me for some reason.:-)
But seriously, as presented, being on line is of no importance at all, unless I'm missing something.
Been surveying ever since there was surveying.
Clyde
> Q1: When weighing found evidence at an obliterated quarter corner; how important is it that the point be on a line between the two opposing section corners? On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 represents no importance and 10 represents max importance.
Could you define "on a line"?
If you mean "on a line" in comparison to all the found 1/4 corners in that township that the GLO says are "on a line". Which in this area is easily 10 feet or more from a straight line. Then the importance is 9.
But if you define a line as a straight line from section corner to section corner, than the importance is 2.
> Q2: How many years have you been surveying?
30 yrs.
On-line-little if any weight. A lot of Quarter section corners were stubbed in the mountainous west despite what the notes may say. Even if they did do what the notes say the accuracy of their methods did not result in very many quarter corners being on line.
Licensed since 2002.
Started Surveying in 1984.
1
50 years
1 and 38
One and been in the business since 1961!
Keith
1 & 58½
> Thought I might put some numbers together if I can get a large enough number of replies.
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> Q1: When weighing found evidence at an obliterated quarter corner; how important is it that the point be on a line between the two opposing section corners? On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 represents no importance and 10 represents max importance.
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> Q2: How many years have you been surveying?
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> (This was just the main disagreement we chewed on at the office today.)
Q1: 1 most of the time in some circumstances as much as idk lets say 7
Q2: Grew up in a surveying office. So around it all my life, working in it 6 years.
Scale: 1
Surveying: 24
Licensed: 19
Importance/Likelyhood where I survey: 1- in fact when I find it on-line I get a little suspicious. Always figured some PLSS areas surveyed later with less challenging terrain might have a different answer
18yrs in the business, licensed only 1.
Steve
Depends on the nature of the evidence being evaluated. A fence corner that's 200' offline generally won't get much weight, but a called-for line tree the same distance offline is likely to get a lot.
(28 years.)
I'd say 2
Only because the original surveyors intent was for it to be on the line between the two section corners. So I would throw it in the mix of evidence for analysis even though it's quite weak. If you go for 10 and that becomes your standard your gonna end up pissing some land owners off eventually .... And If you go for 1 your saying old time surveyor Woodbury Abbey couldn't double an angle on his piece of crap gurley to save his soul ..
surveyor since 1979 (seems a million years ago until I read Keith's 61)
licensed 1999
1 or 2, as above, when I find one dead on line I get worried
34 years
1 or 2. I would take into consideration who performed the original survey (170 years ago, +/- 10 in my area) and how, and by whom, the corners have been perpetuated.
Unlike Mr. Cow, I do not get worried if I find one dead on line. But I do become suspicious.
Surveying 38 years
Licensed 22
1, 36 years
Well, I have been surveying for 39 yrs.
And, I have found:
OFTEN a NS SPM (North South Single Proportionate Measure) is a BETTER search location, than DPM (Double Proportionate Measure)
OFTEN, the NS lines are within 5' of a straight line.
OFTEN the NS lines will be straight, WITH ONE MAJOR KINK where the original surveyor changed declinations.
OFTEN you should retrace enough of the T'ship to get a feel of the guy you are retracing.
OFTEN NS SPM is MORE like the original survey.
Also look forE-W STUBOUTS. That is, one side of the section will be 2640' + - 5 ft, and the other side will be wild. I have found a whole tier of these, where obviously only one side of the section was run. ESPECIALLY on the stub outs, the NS lines are nearly perfect in a straight line, NS.
Now for your poll.
DEPENDING on the rest of the evidence, it can be worth alot to have a NS straight line, and it can be next to worthless.
And, um 39 yrs.
Sorry to dilute the precision of your little study, but it is the truth, so help me God!
~Nate
1. One
2. Fourty (36 regisrered))
1. One
2. 39 years, 32 Licensed
I'm not PLSS, but, if the evidence you found, indicates the true location of the section corner from other extrinsic or collateral evidence, then for ANY surveyor, the answer to question one should be 1 regardless of the answer to question 2, which in my case is 23 years.