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(@rubrew)
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Have you ever been asked to show proposed improvements on your survey? Would you do it? If not have you developed a work around to satisfy your client's needs?

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 11:34 am
(@jim-in-az)
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I just say no, then offer to prepare a site plan (additional charge).

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 11:37 am
(@nate-the-surveyor)
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Show a square. "Proposed Steel Bldg"
Show a building pad (already built) with the above square.
Just call it "Proposed" Just because a man proposes, does not mean she gonna say "yes"!

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Posted : August 4, 2016 11:38 am
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You can make a Plot plan for your client, make sure to say proposed and charge him for it.

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 11:42 am
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Exhibit of Proposed Improvements with no certification or stamp. I can draw cartoons as well as the next guy.

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 11:42 am
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Proposed improvements? They are gonna let me design their new building? (or bar, as it would appear?) Are they nuts?

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 12:55 pm
(@rubrew)
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We just got an interesting opinion from the State Board that showing proposed improvements would fall under the definition of professional engineering.

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 1:48 pm
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So, when an engineer represents proposed lots on a subdivision plan (say, to a town council), does that fall under the definition of land surveying? Gonna havta chew on this for a while.

...and what those earlier folks said about plot plans, etc.

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 2:02 pm
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I do building permit plats all the time.

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 2:07 pm
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Today in the same email as the new thread I started about asking to remove a note.

When the site plan has been completed by the civil folks, the attorney for........ would like to have it overlaid on a print of your survey so that he can confirm that the proposed improvements do not interfere with the sewer line easement, the sewer service line for which there is no easement, or the creek. Would you provide me with an estimate for how much that would cost?

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 2:13 pm
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Rubrew, post: 384393, member: 954 wrote: Have you ever been asked to show proposed improvements on your survey? Would you do it?

a) Yes, b) of course.
As long as "Proposed" is clearly labeled.

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 2:25 pm
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It.s fine as long as you show truth in advertising.. Use a different line type for the proposed improvements.Clearly label in large text "Proposed improvements" Add a well crafted stand alone CYA note in your survey notes (noting the source,date,not a part of this survey,ect) Show line type seperately but near legend(Add money to contract)...Or charge for additional plot plan,,,either will work....Plot Plan probably easier.

 
Posted : August 4, 2016 2:32 pm
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I agree with most that there are times when adding proposed elements to a drawing, appropriately labeled, is fine and does not constitute engineering. We are meeting with the Survey Quorum of the State Board next week for further clarification/arm wrestling.

 
Posted : August 5, 2016 8:02 am
(@peter-ehlert)
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how about a separate sheet, Boundary and easements ghosted in, Proposed On Top.

 
Posted : August 5, 2016 11:19 am
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lmbrls, post: 384399, member: 6823 wrote: Exhibit of Proposed Improvements with no certification or stamp. I can draw cartoons as well as the next guy.

That's illegal here...

 
Posted : August 5, 2016 11:45 am
(@john-giles)
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I do it here. For double wide's usually. They want to make sure of the location. So we do proposed then go back out and do the asbuilt. Pretty common.

 
Posted : August 5, 2016 11:59 am
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Jim in AZ, post: 384681, member: 249 wrote: That's illegal here...

Yeah, all this talk about not stamping things is illegal here as well. Everything MUST have the surveyors stamp. I can be also stamped "preliminary" or "draft", but the PLS or PE stamp MUST remain.

 
Posted : August 5, 2016 12:05 pm
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Jim in AZ, post: 384681, member: 249 wrote: That's illegal here...

Should be everywhere. However, So called "Planners" do it all the time. If it is truly an exhibit for the Client, I have done just that. I have also shown proposed features on a separate sheet referencing my boundary and the proposed plans and stated " For Information Only Not For Construction". Sheet 1 is the certified boundary. Sheet 2 has no certification, as it is simply a compilation for information only. I just try to make sure that what I do is not misrepresented.

 
Posted : August 5, 2016 12:09 pm
(@a-harris)
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It is the mortgage company that wants to verify the chosen building site is on the property and within setback lines.

After the contractor or owner puts out some stakes or prepares a dirt pad I will locate that and show in dashed lines the extent of the pad on a drawing titled "Plat Showing Dirt Pad" or "Plat Showing Proposed Building Site".

I have had to return to locate forms before an approval to pour concrete
Return to locate concrete pad was poured within those forms
Return to locate everything built at 80% completion
Return to locate finished product for refinancing

All that can really make for a cranky PO'd client.

 
Posted : August 5, 2016 12:18 pm