Name a State. Then we can at least give you some better guidance than what we have been able to do so far. Kentucky? Rhode Island? Florida?
At least this one knows what capital letters and punctuation are. But there is still frustration reading "please help me but I can't tell you anything."
If it was me, I'd get the opinion of another surveyor or two. Most won't take the time without being hired first to do an in depth review. Most surveyors I know respect each other's opions but wouldn't bat an eye if they disagreed with something they saw. I hate to contradict others but I do know at least one surveyor who acts as an advocate for their clients.
Then you'll know if you have something to take further or if it's just in your head.
It's a part of life, it has been and always will be, political favoritism and/or cronyism. The act usually steps all over those that are neither political and/or treat others fair, no matter what or who it is. There are people with position/money that can sway certain people (in any profession) and if it's been going on for years and years in a small community where, to get something done, one has to grease the wheel.
I've been up most the night and in a few weeks I will take a more legal route, at least get some answers from a law firm that specializes in property disputes. Until then I have to wait on some other items.
Thanks..............
Yes, name a state. States are big and there are boundary disputes all over every day. It would be impossible for someone to know who you are based only on a state and the fact that you are in a boundary dispute.
"I'd rather speak to someone outside my area, far outside my area first before going to him."
Major mis-thinking here - local issues are extraordinarily important.
uhhh...Mr. D...
Why get an attorney involved ? Are you somehow hanging out in the breeze of liability? I would initially refrain from revealing your evidence to counsel. Some attorneys are worse than surveyors about "chatting" with their colleagues. If this is all that you fear, it could be the worst thing you could do. Client confidentiality can be second banana to an attorney keeping himself out of the crosshairs.
Stick with a private meeting with the enforcement and investigative folks of the State Board that monitor Surveyors. Never play your entire hand when it comes to evidence...and keep copies in a secure location.B-)
If you or any of your IM forces are caught or killed, Surveyor Connect will deny any knowledge of your activity. This message will self-destruct in 10 seconds. Good luck, Jim.
That's what I suggested up the hill a bit. And to try and get the neighbors involved and hopefully help pay, but it appears the neighbors don't quite get along. Too bad really, because I'm one of those guys who will do just about anything to keep things from going to the next level. That level will include civil cases and further padding those contributing members of civil matters (lawyers). Pay a surveyor or pay a lawyer seem to be the options. Fix the problem first, then go after people to pay you back.
Surveyors don't determine lines, they render opinions. Only judges & owners can fix those problems of disagreement. We can help but we ain't god.
To hear you talk, it reminds me of a survey I did, whereby one surveyor showed the county line, in one place, and I found it 338' different.
Here is a link to my recorded plat:
ftp://ftp.geostor.arkansas.gov/Monthly_Plats/Pike/241110.pdf
Look at the area "Between Whitfield Survey, and actual county line".
This condition, of an excess of land, exists for several miles. What I believe happened, is the original GLO surveyors fudged their notes, due to very steep and mountainous terrain.
This amounts to 40 acres extra, for every Section, for several miles!
I have several comments:
"Everything is always remembered"
"Surveyors monument their mistakes, Doctors bury theirs"
"There is no such thing as a secret, as things have a way of coming out..."
You sound like you are either wrong, in your assumptions, or you are in for a ride!
I suggest you go get a number of adjoining deeds, from the courthouse, and see how large an area is affected by your problem. (political boundaries etc).
To my knowledge, the above survey, is one of the first that documents what is going on, with this county line.... And I can see where landowners would not want to have to pay the extra tax, due to updated acreages!
Looks like Mr. Dilemma is for real
He called me, and told me some of his story. It has to do with old subdivision pins, and old occupation, and more modern surveys, that show things different.
We are talking about 5' x 50' here. So, anyway, he is a landowner, and has 2 sets of pins marking his property.
What this gentelman needs, is a nice big worksheet, telling him what is going on, and direction ie Adverse Possession, or buy land from neighbor, or go and hold the old pins. Then, he does not have to do anything. He is a retired guy, from the service.
Seemed like a guy that needs included in our world.
Nate
Holy Cow..........I just got off the line with Nate the Surveyor. When he posted that survey, I found a way to contact someone directly. I tried using PM but I guess I haven't been a member long enough to PM anyone. He explain who you are and he said he would transfer my papers and explanation on to you for another set of eyes to see and read. I don't want a solution, I just want opinions of how to come to a solution. Nate did give me some good info for me to work on. I did not explain a whole lot, time involved but now that I have made contact, more info will follow.
Thanks to all here for taking the time to answer my postings....................
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Thanks Nate for taking the time to listen. I shall keep you informed. I will discuss the idea of purchasing the feet in question from the neighbor in question.
All the Best...............
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> He called me, and told me some of his story. It has to do with old subdivision pins, and old occupation, and more modern surveys, that show things different.
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> We are talking about 5' x 50' here. So, anyway, he is a landowner, and has 2 sets of pins marking his property.
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> What this gentelman needs, is a nice big worksheet, telling him what is going on, and direction ie Adverse Possession, or buy land from neighbor, or go and hold the old pins. Then, he does not have to do anything. He is a retired guy, from the service.
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> Seemed like a guy that needs included in our world.
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> Nate
Very well done sir.
I will see what I can do to be of assistance without getting too deeply involved. Will rely on Nate for input.
Thanks Mr Cow. It seems to me, that sometimes basic information is needed, to solve many riddles.
Landowners, who know a LITTLE, and know how to measure 20' with their box tape, and know how to design artillery shots, ASSUME that there are no problems with their basic land survey. "This ain't 'zactly rocket science, ya know!" So, along come Mr. Developer, buys land, sells lots, and lots are staked. And, along comes the dozer, and knocks out a mon, and he looks this way, and that, and STICKS IT BACK WHERE HE THOT IT WAS, and now we have twubble, in the neighborhood, because garages, air conditioners, and flower beds, and such were build in RELIANCE on said monument. I call it "Bulldozer Surveying".
N
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Thanks Brad.
Communication is the life blood of relationships.
That saying drives me sometimes.
N
Holy Cow, Thanks for looking into this for me, very appreciated. I have sent off just now to Nate what has transpired up till now with some deeds and plats and a narrative of conversations along with some photos.
I do appreciate your time.
Thanks..................
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> That saying drives me sometimes.
Natester,I can't resist this one. It has nothing to do with Mr Dilemma's issues, but is still an old joke. I can't remember the full segue into it, just the punch line
Mate: Sir why are you limping and why is our boat swerving
Pirate: Mate, the dang sharks got me
Mate: huh
Pirate: can't see, nothing seems right..... Aye Arrr Eye... They're driving me nuts
PS - help with the joke please. Its good family humor 😉
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For those of you still curious about this matter, this is one of those cases where it could be difficult to find someone skilled in the local specifics due to the relative remoteness and low population of the community involved. Technically, anyone licensed in the state could take a stab at resolving the issue, but, not nearly as efficiently as the two or three firms located halfway nearby. This is further complicated when you encounter numerous oddly shaped metes and bounds tracts around the perimeter of a small town plat.
I live near a tiny little unincorporated town. The current incarnation of the key section corner must be almost exactly ten feet east of where it was thought to be in 1887 as there is great agreement of the apparent boundary lines with one another throughout the properties but all are ten feet too far west of the currently accepted monument. I am probably the only surveyor working in the region aware of that particular glitch.
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I cannot remember where I read this, but I do remember the author was long gone when I came along. It goes something like:
"A boundary determination from written deeds that ignores the peace of accepted lines in favor of mathematical clarity is in error." ...or something like that.
Reading this post just brought that to mind. :-S
