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Poll - A test of your Integrity - Part II

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Boundary Lines
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What is a greater breach of your personal integrity?

1. You fudge a property line by 1' on behalf of a client who offered a reward.

2. You borrow money or purchase an item on credit, agree to the re-payment terms, then do not hold up your end of the bargain by not performing to the terms that you agreed to upfront.


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 12:23 am
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> What is a greater breach of your personal integrity?
>
> 1. You fudge a property line by 1' on behalf of a client who offered a reward.
>
> 2. You borrow money or purchase an item on credit, agree to the re-payment terms, then do not hold up your end of the bargain by not performing to the terms that you agreed to upfront.

[sarcasm]With my $100,000,000 I can pay off ALL of my family and friend's debts and still have money left to buy rounds for the whole community for the next 100 years while we all laze around admiring the statues recognizing my philanthropic giving...[/sarcasm]


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 5:34 am
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I would not do either one. Period. End of thought. My ancestors would haunt me if I did either. WE DON'T DO SUCH THINGS!!


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 6:35 am
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The question assumes facts not in evidence.


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 7:27 am
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:good:


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 7:41 am

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It comes down to the great surveying term, "INTENT".

In the first instance, a deliberate act, placing a line incorrectly for compensation is without a doubt bad.

In the second instance, there could be many mitigating factors. If you entered into the contract with intent to defraud, then you are bad but if circumstances get beyond your control and you don't live up to your end of the bargain through external factors, while still being your fault, it isn't as bad. Sort of like deliberately drowning a bag of kittens or running over a suicidal squirrel.


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 8:13 am
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The question is:

Which one would keep you from obtaining a contractor's license in Utah?


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 8:35 am
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> What is a greater breach of your personal integrity?
>
> 1. You fudge a property line by 1' on behalf of a client who offered a reward.
>
> 2. You borrow money or purchase an item on credit, agree to the re-payment terms, then do not hold up your end of the bargain by not performing to the terms that you agreed to upfront.

1. I am an unbiased third party determining the boundary line between two property's. Period. If that boundary lies in a different location that an owners thinks it should be I will explain to them my reasoning and work with them to remedy a solution that works for them, within their budget. If they are willing to "Pay a reward" Then that costs should equal the professional service fee to arrive at their intended remedy. PLA, BLA, cross QC deeds, Etc.

2. This question asserts that those bankers holding the bank note hold some level of integrity as well, when many times they have shown the opposite.


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 8:41 am
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> 2. This question asserts that those bankers holding the bank note hold some level of integrity as well, when many times they have shown the opposite.

So are you implying that one's own level of commitment to personal integrity should be dictated by the integrity or lack thereof of someone besides yourself?


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 8:46 am
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Which do you value more? Your professional reputation? Or your credit score. One can be repaired, the other not.


Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

 
Posted : March 26, 2013 11:17 am

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> > 2. This question asserts that those bankers holding the bank note hold some level of integrity as well, when many times they have shown the opposite.
>
> So are you implying that one's own level of commitment to personal integrity should be dictated by the integrity or lack thereof of someone besides yourself?

I can clarify but I try not to imply anything, that is for the reader to do if they so choose. Each person will read any statement and formulate their own conclusions based upon their own personal experiences or convictions.

Each persons "Level" of Personal integrity is their own to live by and build upon. My integrity has absolutely been influenced by others as I imagine everyone's has. There are good examples of people and there are bad. Each of which, we pull internally those examples to help shape the way we act and or want to act.


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 11:34 am
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:good:

Also, in the case of failing to meet a commitment on a credit purchase (we'll pretend it is a car), there are proper ways of dealing with it:

One can realize they can no longer make the car payment and make arrangements with the creditor to either return the item or adjust the original commitment.

Or, one could just keep driving the car like it wasn't theirs, rag it out so that it has no value, and wait for the repo guys to take it.

One of those ways of dealing with the situation shows integrity - the other is the second option.


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 11:50 am
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Lincoln went bankrupt, and Jefferson came very close, delayed only until his death by a questionable public lottery.....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/11/19/mf.successful.people.survived.bankruptcy/index.html?_s=PM:LIVING

http://www.history.org/foundation/journal/winter10/jefferson.cfm

All that said, intentional fraud is immoral, but framers of the constitution recognized events could spiral out of an individuals control and wrote in bankruptcy provisions. Bankruptcy is a legal remedy for debt relief. Simply not paying your bills is not. You have to make the effort for the relief and it stains your credit for years.


 
Posted : March 26, 2013 3:53 pm