Possibly, once a monument nominally on line becomes established legally it controls. A legally straight line is not synonymous with a mathematically straight line. I haven't met a perfect land surveyor yet and the property owners deserve finality in location.
I agree with this to a point. In the city where I work, many of the blocks were created with no monuments set and 25??x150?? lots. As the lots were sold, usually 2 to 3 lots per buyer, monuments were set. Most of these back lines are generally straight and have been monumented for 50 years or more. I hold those monuments without question.
The scenario I described in the earlier post, is a completely different animal.
Usually guys coming over to our area from Atlanta. I??ve never seen any of our local guys doing that.
This sentiment is mentioned twice in this thread. I was caught up in similar circumstances years ago. I had to set property corners in a part of town not knowing the error present in a particular subdivision. Recently I've seen job postings looking only for local surveyors. Maybe they have a good point.
Yes! I've done it many times. As a retracement surveyor, I have no authority to "correct" a previous surveyor's work. How will you feel when a future surveyor does not accept your pins because they are off a few hundredths? Technology may improve our precision, but, it won't help our accuracy.
So...assuming the lot is 300x900 and you "fixed" one corner by 0.37' the you altered the overall acreage of the lot in question by about 0.0038 acres, assuming you only "adjusted" one of the rear corners. Did you verify that the larger tract that adjoins the subdivision was not in "error" too? Did you ask the other surveyor why he believes the line is 0.37 inside the lot? Seems like a whole lot of "to do" when you could have drawn a line from found pin to found pin and reported the variation on your plat instead of making it work mathematically. Each to his own.
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But this is a good read
https://www.amazon.com/Pincushion-Effect-Jeffery-Lucas/dp/B009ANB3PO
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No acreage was altered...it was maintained. The original subdivision pins are on line between the corners of the adjoining tract. The newer pin set 50 feet away on the same line to further divide the existing lot was not placed on line and done by a different Surveyor who is now dead. I??m completely comfortable in my decision.
David
It depends on how you look at it. You may have maintained the paper area, but you changed the area as marked on the ground.?ÿ
It is hard call to make. I will usually hold a junior corner that is off by a small amount like that if I am convinced that the junior surveyor actually correctly surveyed the senior line. I am not willing to reject another surveyors corner for a small measurment error.
The fear that many have of reporting true measurements that differ from the record is in my opinion unfounded.?ÿ
I went to a political fundraiser at a local craft brewery on Tuesday and passed this on the way back to my truck.
So...assuming the lot is 300x900 and you "fixed" one corner by 0.37' the you altered the overall acreage of the lot in question by about 0.0038 acres, assuming you only "adjusted" one of the rear corners. Did you verify that the larger tract that adjoins the subdivision was not in "error" too? Did you ask the other surveyor why he believes the line is 0.37 inside the lot? Seems like a whole lot of "to do" when you could have drawn a line from found pin to found pin and reported the variation on your plat instead of making it work mathematically. Each to his own.
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But this is a good read
https://www.amazon.com/Pincushion-Effect-Jeffery-Lucas/dp/B009ANB3PO
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No acreage was altered...it was maintained. The original subdivision pins are on line between the corners of the adjoining tract. The newer pin set 50 feet away on the same line to further divide the existing lot was not placed on line and done by a different Surveyor who is now dead. I??m completely comfortable in my decision.
David
If I understand your post correctly, wouldn't the new pin you found 0.37' out set by the deceased suveyor which modified the property line be considered an original monument.?ÿ If his survey modified the property his new monument holds as original.?ÿ And if had been relied on by the previous owners as the property corner why add the confusion over 0.37'.?ÿ?ÿ
Seeing double?
Seeing double?
Nice shoes, clearly they are both wrong, the corner has to be in the sidewalk expansion joint.
I agree. There are some things that deserve to be obliterated without a seconds thought.
Clearly the one with the paint circle is the correct one.
Yes! I've done it many times. As a retracement surveyor, I have no authority to "correct" a previous surveyor's work. How will you feel when a future surveyor does not accept your pins because they are off a few hundredths? Technology may improve our precision, but, it won't help our accuracy.
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Not talking about a few hundredths.?ÿ
You say you??ve done it many times. I??m really curious if you are answering the question I posed. Let me put it another way. Let??s say you survey a one acre lot that adjoins another one acre lot. The adjoining lot owner later subdivides his lot into four .25 lots. Three new pins are set on the common line and the Surveyor places the pins a few tenths...NOT A COUPLE OF HUNDRETHS...off line. You come back to Survey your original clients lot. You are saying that you will change that line and go pin to pin now? ?ÿWhat if the new pins are set a foot off?
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So...assuming the lot is 300x900 and you "fixed" one corner by 0.37' the you altered the overall acreage of the lot in question by about 0.0038 acres, assuming you only "adjusted" one of the rear corners. Did you verify that the larger tract that adjoins the subdivision was not in "error" too? Did you ask the other surveyor why he believes the line is 0.37 inside the lot? Seems like a whole lot of "to do" when you could have drawn a line from found pin to found pin and reported the variation on your plat instead of making it work mathematically. Each to his own.
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But this is a good read
https://www.amazon.com/Pincushion-Effect-Jeffery-Lucas/dp/B009ANB3PO
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No acreage was altered...it was maintained. The original subdivision pins are on line between the corners of the adjoining tract. The newer pin set 50 feet away on the same line to further divide the existing lot was not placed on line and done by a different Surveyor who is now dead. I??m completely comfortable in my decision.
David
It depends on how you look at it. You may have maintained the paper area, but you changed the area as marked on the ground.?ÿ
It is hard call to make. I will usually hold a junior corner that is off by a small amount like that if I am convinced that the junior surveyor actually correctly surveyed the senior line. I am not willing to reject another surveyors corner for a small measurment error.
The fear that many have of reporting true measurements that differ from the record is in my opinion unfounded.?ÿ
Good point and a practice I try to follow. In this case, I was convinced that the junior surveyor did not correctly survey the senior line. It was outside my comfort zone to leave as is. A couple of tenths closer and I would have left it and the calls the same. This particular case was 300 ft line with line of sight. No reason to have the junior pin almost a half a foot off line. Fairly recent survey...not transit and tape.
2 tenths is below the typical functional precision of a quarter acre tract (a fence is 6" wide) so it doesn't much matter what you do, either way.
In boundary cases the inquiry is into whether those in authority mutually established the monument, distance "off" is not considered a relavent value. Monuments are expected to be imperfect in location, that's why we have volumes of case reporters full of decisions.
No argument there. If my client owned both lots and had the other divided, I’d go pin to pin.
