Party Cheif Test

Question 1:
Spell "Party Chief".....;-)

LOL:-D

You might send him for Certified Surveyor Technician testing, or get a copy of the Land Surveyor in Training Sample Exam .

Yes. The sample questions for the Fundamentals of Surveying exam is a good choice. It has an answer key in the back. I used it to study. I passed all the exams and got licensed and still don't know how to do some of them. Good practice for future testing and a great way to test party chiefs knowledge.

https://app.ncees.org/study_materials/?exam=FS

The PS exam sample questions are good also, if you want to test the legal portion more than the math.

https://app.ncees.org/study_materials/?exam=PS

They are $12.95 each plus shipping.

Deserved that for sure. Lol

I suppose a lot of it depends on the kind of work you expect him to do. Boundary, topo's, aerial & mapping control, construction, industrial, deal with clients, etc. Big differences with varying degree's of expertise required.

It seems that most good party chiefs also have quite a bit of experience in the office, reviewing not only their own work, but past crews work. Very enlightening.

Your job is to throw the bone to him, and let him ask the questions. He'll soon discover how much he doesn't know, hopefully with some humility. Before it starts costing you more than just the training exercise.

All that testing is great and a good place to start, but I think we all know a few RLS's who passed and have no business being licensed.

I don't have a standard test per se, but I do have them create a set of notes for a survey with sketch..that and ask them to perform a few calcs on the collector.

Randy-

Hey, tiz Friday, so you're allowed to have 'fatfingeritis'.

Maybe Party "Cheiph" as in Philadelphia ?

TNAI

What is the length of the hypotenuse of a right triangle where the other two sides are 3' and 4' long?

Zenith angle is 45 degrees, horizontal distance to target is 15'. Is the target higher or lower? How much?

How big is a. Lath?

Party Chef Test

I know a good chef. What kind of party are you planning?

Party Chief Test

Sort of a dangerous challenge to toss out there. My thinking is that if the guy knows as much or more than I do why is he wanting to come to work for me? Did he have to relocate due to a family situation or major downturn in survey work in his old hometown?

I would rather mentor the guy to understand why I do things a certain way. A little less knowledge and a whole lot of work ethic is what I would be searching for.

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Ooh! Ooh! I know!

Party Chief Test

".. why is he wanting to come to work for me?"

😀

If you do a search, you should find one a couple months or so back, don't remember much else about it, but they were talking about specific questions.

If you do a lot boundary send him to the courthouse to do some research. Maybe on something you have already done and know what is there. Or set him up a scenario and see if he is capable of setting a corner.

If you do a lot of construction, give him a foundation plan and his data collector and have him build some column line points. Or one of the SIT-type questions about pipes/slopes.

Give him some angles and distances and make figure out how tall something is.

Looks like you're in Texas, I don't anything about how y'all do things out there, but maybe you could slam a hub in the ground and get him to write a description for a "corner record."

Send him to do a small boundary and take his collector away for the day. Supply him with a DMD sheet and ask him to balance it. I pulled this as a joke on one of our cheifs and watched him scratch his head in awww.

> You might send him for Certified Surveyor Technician testing, or get a copy of the Land Surveyor in Training Sample Exam .

I was thinking along the same lines, except those would be terribly long tests to take. I think I would pick up the "fundamentals" sample test, and custom-pick some of the questions that you think your party chief should know. It might give you some ideas on other questions to ask.

You need simple questions that some experienced party chief should be able to answer quickly while others may not have a clue on.

I like the 3-4-5 right-angle question. Not only do some guys know the 3-4-5 triangle, but you could easily square 3 and 4 add them and take the square root of the sum in your head if you don't know that by rote.

I remember a chief of parties once who told a younger party chief that he would not give him a raise until he could pass a test showing that he could do calcs longhand.

The true reason for this was not wanting to give the guy a raise, the stated reason was to be able to handle a situation where the batteries died. We were using 48's at the time and I figured that if the batteries died the nearest 7-11 would be closer in drive time that the expenditure needed to calc everything with a log book and pencil.

I would posit that instead of testing and trying to put him in his place you should offer the opportunity to come inside for a hour a week and learn some office functions, that would serve the function of making him appreciate the knowledge base that he has not had exposure to and make him a more valuable employee in the process.

I find some of this glory of the past tiresome when it comes to the time before calculators, being functional with technology is every bit as important to the quality and bottom line of a survey outfit as being able to calculate the opposite side of a triangle.

You can get a free CST practice test with answers on the NSPS CSt site.. Be careful what you wish for, a good CST is worth six figures....

RH CST III