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(@richard-germiller)
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Being a state government entity we have to have at least two persons conducting the interview, preferably three, and must ask each interviewee the same questions. the team members had input on the questions. When the job was for an assistant to myself and the other ROW tech, I would include the simple question "Describe the difference between Model and Paper spaces". You would not believe how many tried to BS their way through that one. sometimes out of five candidates, one could explain it correctly. The other thing that, in my mind, was an immediate removal from consideration was to proclaim oneself an AutoCAD "expert", in my opinion there is no such thing. I should also mention that Juneau being somewhat isolated from the rest of the state and country that 95% of our job interviews are on the phone, so there's no seeing facial expressions.

 
Posted : June 10, 2020 3:03 pm
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@duane-frymire

I knew a manager for a large public sector survey group who, whenever confronted with some time-wasting procedure that HR, marketing, or upper management wanted him to implement, would put on his very concerned about the organization face and say with the utmost gravity, "We absolutely cannot do this, legally speaking, because we would violate the law of sines and we would get sued by the union." He told me it worked most of the time, without anyone even questioning that statement.

 
Posted : June 10, 2020 3:07 pm
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@plumb-bill ... add: survey firms not paying required prevailing wage.

 
Posted : June 10, 2020 3:34 pm
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@rover83

aahahaaa.... "that would violate the law of sines"

I'm going to use that one!

 
Posted : June 10, 2020 3:44 pm
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I've interviewed and hired my fair share of applicants , and the process was to quickly read their resume' and judge it as fluff or reasonable.?ÿ A few hours of lookups (in Internet space) and you can get it down to three or four candidates.?ÿ Their interviews were an introductory "how can you help us and what do you think your career path is" followed by some fairly specific questions concerning our organization to weed out the applicants who hadn't done their homework.?ÿ Then followed by a few technical questions (for survey positions) concerning observation procedures, record keeping, et. al.?ÿ It almost always turned out a fresh graduate from Fresno State with a surveying degree was hired.?ÿ Yah, the 40 year old Party Chief with a long resume' which shows he's worked for 7 firms in the last five years is viable if you're desperate but he's there to take home a paycheck, not grow the company.

I'll go off topic here and say I've had supervisors who were not licensed PLSs (but excellent managers) and had crewmembers who were PLSs (but horrible survey crew members).?ÿ The badge, although tedious to attain is sort of a test taking exercise, so I don't judge anybody concerning their LS status.?ÿ I judge them by their productivity, honesty, competence and willingness to be a team player, PLS card or not.

 
Posted : June 10, 2020 3:51 pm
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@bill93 Easy-peasy:

°C to °F Divide by 5, then multiply by 9, then add 32°F

to get °C Deduct 32, then multiply by 5, then divide by 9.

I can do it it in my head, but it hurts these days.

 
Posted : June 10, 2020 3:59 pm
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@bill93 Easy-peasy:

Yeah, but you memorized it, not derived it.

 
Posted : June 10, 2020 4:22 pm
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What is your spirit animal??ÿ Me:?ÿ WTF is that supposed to mean?

If you were a zebra what would be your favorite vegetable??ÿ Me:?ÿ OK?ÿ I can see there is no respect for common sense around this place, so I'm outta here right now.

 
Posted : June 10, 2020 6:57 pm
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Posted by: @holy-cow

I can see there is no respect for common sense around this place, so I'm outta here right now.

HR people are unlikely to resemble the people you would be working with.

 
Posted : June 10, 2020 7:04 pm
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HR people

"HR" and "people" in the same phrase - an oxymoronic contradiction in terms if ever there was one.

 
Posted : June 10, 2020 7:54 pm
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@bill93

Management who are blind to such stupidity will also be blind to what happens in your department.  Been there, experienced that, never going back.

 
Posted : June 11, 2020 4:38 am
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@holy-cow Anyone here can easily see your spirit animal.

 
Posted : June 11, 2020 6:00 am
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Posted by: @mike-marks

I'll go off topic here and say I've had supervisors who were not licensed PLSs (but excellent managers) and had crewmembers who were PLSs (but horrible survey crew members).?ÿ The badge, although tedious to attain is sort of a test taking exercise, so I don't judge anybody concerning their LS status.?ÿ I judge them by their productivity, honesty, competence and willingness to be a team player, PLS card or not.

I agree completely.?ÿ In my LSIT days i worked under one of the most knowledgeable surveyors I have ever worked with.?ÿ Unfortunately he couldn't manage his way out of a parking stall.?ÿ ?ÿI took his position as only an LSIT and, as they say, the rest is history.

 
Posted : June 11, 2020 6:16 am
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@bill93

But memorizing it is harder than deriving. I can always derive it in 20 seconds, but the best I can remember is that there is a 9 and 32 involved. 

 
Posted : June 11, 2020 7:59 am
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"I'm tempted to report the real estate agent who "showed" the guy where his corners were"

Why? that's a ridiculous statement and your efforts will go no where.?ÿ This didn't harm you.

The Real Estate Commission is a consumer protection agency. You must encourage the owner to do this.

?ÿ

 
Posted : June 11, 2020 10:03 am
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@rundatline     So you think it's OK for realtors to point out goat stakes, convenience-fence corners, and anything else so a guy can build his $600,000 house in the wrong place?

The real estate commission is a realtor protection agency.

 
Posted : June 11, 2020 10:10 am
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@bill93

What kind of company has HR people doing interviews for survey positions????

 
Posted : June 11, 2020 10:23 am
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@dave-lindell I don't think rundatline is saying this is O.K. He is pointing out that you don't have standing to file a complaint, while the real estate agents's client may. 

 
Posted : June 11, 2020 10:26 am
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@aliquot

Have had it happen to too many clients that the Realtor showed the bounds to what they were buying and pointed out that it goes all the way to the bend or other landmark that clearly exists.

After the client pays for the property and a next door neighbor finds them over the true boundary and throws a fit, sues for the destruction of property or other action is taken, he finds himself in a bind and goes after the Realtor who was wrong in showing where he bought too.

Every time there is no proof except buyers word against Realtor and their claim goes nowhere and they have to pay for the Realtors errors plus their own they made based upon the Realtors information.

It falls in the fraud category and that alone is very hard to prove with well-documented evidence. 

The fact that most everyone has access to smartphones is the only real protection some people have and I encourage all buyers to record every meeting and transaction when purchasing property and most everything else these days. Without that, you don't have a leg to stand on when everything goes south.

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Posted : June 11, 2020 10:46 am
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Posted by: @dave-lindell

The real estate commission is a realtor protection agency.

Not true, the Real Estate Commission in NC is for the Consumer. Make a mistake as a broker, you'll find out.

?ÿ

 
Posted : June 11, 2020 11:13 am
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