The CCR called for a 5/8" IR, but in reality it was a 60D nail. We cleared some dirt around the corner because we were debating if it was a 5/8" IR or a 1/2" IR. 
Call was for a 5/8"ir
How did you know if it was a 60d or a 40d?
paden cash, post: 400953, member: 20 wrote: How did you know if it was a 60d or a 40d?
Good point! Can we agree that it was a nail?
paden cash, post: 400953, member: 20 wrote: How did you know if it was a 60d or a 40d?
First clue, he's not in Oklahoma.
Had a first (thankfully) this past week. Our project is fairly simple in PLSSia. Of course, the key is to have the corners of the quarter section, including the center of section corner. Check into the state website and discover corner records exist for all four corners. Only one record for each corner and they all are thanks to a single survey by a fellow I know well. The records date to 1998. Nothing newer.
We arrive at the first apparent corner. Pull out the corner record. Nothing makes sense. One reference tie is completely gone thanks to some dozer work. A second tie cannot be found. A third makes no sense at all. We can't find the reference nail but if it were where we were looking the corner would be 15 feet off the side of the road that we were certain was intended to follow the section line. Made a smart decision. Went to search for the next corner and let this one stay a mystery for a bit longer.
Arrive at the second apparent corner at the intersection of two county roads that, per the records, were to be centered on the intersecting section lines. All four references are to nails in power poles. There is only one power pole within a few hundred feet of the intersection and it is clearly one that was present in 1998. It doesn't match the reference distance by over 20 feet. Now I know something is horribly wrong with the corner records.
Just to be sure we head to the third apparent corner. Sure enough, once again none of the reference ties make sense.
We head towards the fourth corner, at the section center, and note immediately that won't be worth searching. All references are to nails in large trees. Again, thanks to the dozers, there isn't a tree within 800 feet.
First thing the next work day I send an email to the creator of the corner records recounting our discoveries, or lack thereof, and suggest the references are for a different section. Thanks to a note on the corner references I was able to include their project number from 1998.
A few hours later I had an email in return. The corner records all had the wrong range listed. Their job had been six miles east of our job. Attached to the email was every record they have in their files that has a connection to our section. A couple of those items will be very handy.
Eighteen years and no one had needed any of the corners were sought. Some of you live were there may have been forty surveys theoretically tied to a single section corner in eighteen years. I can't imagine what that is like.
Funny one happened to my compadre yesterday. we had a street reconstruct project, did the original topo and staking. one corner we had found a local guys cap. Go back 2 years later to re monument anything destroyed during construction. he stakes out the corner and there is sidewalk and C wall there, knowing the cap is gone by the staked elevation of original point he scans and finds the original corner .2' away and a foot below the cap. uncovered his pin cushion. funny shit.
Hope at least you replaced that 60d with something a little better
[SARCASM]What is better than a 30 year old 60d nail that is in the correct place?[/SARCASM]
I have known a crew chief for over 40yrs that has always noted every rod and rebar 1/4in wrong.
He constantly sees them that much smaller than they actually are.
Horrible old story.
A couple are at a local gathering hole with a bunch of friends. The weather had been snow all day. Someone asked how much snow they had out at their place. The wife replied quickly with, "Oh, about twelve inches." Her husband immediately corrected her and said, "No, no, no. We only got about two inches." The wife countered with, "But, Honey, that much is what you've been telling me is twelve inches ever since I've known you."
Holy Cow, post: 400961, member: 50 wrote: Had a first (thankfully) this past week. Our project is fairly simple in PLSSia. Of course, the key is to have the corners of the quarter section, including the center of section corner. Check into the state website and discover corner records exist for all four corners. Only one record for each corner and they all are thanks to a single survey by a fellow I know well. The records date to 1998. Nothing newer.
We arrive at the first apparent corner. Pull out the corner record. Nothing makes sense. One reference tie is completely gone thanks to some dozer work. A second tie cannot be found. A third makes no sense at all. We can't find the reference nail but if it were where we were looking the corner would be 15 feet off the side of the road that we were certain was intended to follow the section line. Made a smart decision. Went to search for the next corner and let this one stay a mystery for a bit longer.
Arrive at the second apparent corner at the intersection of two county roads that, per the records, were to be centered on the intersecting section lines. All four references are to nails in power poles. There is only one power pole within a few hundred feet of the intersection and it is clearly one that was present in 1998. It doesn't match the reference distance by over 20 feet. Now I know something is horribly wrong with the corner records.
Just to be sure we head to the third apparent corner. Sure enough, once again none of the reference ties make sense.
We head towards the fourth corner, at the section center, and note immediately that won't be worth searching. All references are to nails in large trees. Again, thanks to the dozers, there isn't a tree within 800 feet.
First thing the next work day I send an email to the creator of the corner records recounting our discoveries, or lack thereof, and suggest the references are for a different section. Thanks to a note on the corner references I was able to include their project number from 1998.
A few hours later I had an email in return. The corner records all had the wrong range listed. Their job had been six miles east of our job. Attached to the email was every record they have in their files that has a connection to our section. A couple of those items will be very handy.
Eighteen years and no one had needed any of the corners were sought. Some of you live were there may have been forty surveys theoretically tied to a single section corner in eighteen years. I can't imagine what that is like.
Good story! I was mistaken about a 5/8" IR being called for in the CCR. The CCR called for a 2" old iron pipe, 1.8' +/- deep in a dirt road. I'm pretty sure it was a plat that called for a 5/8" IR. The dirt road is now paved. I don't know why anyone would set a 60D nail in lieu of the pipe. Maybe they didn't want to dig for the pipe, and they used the corner references to set the nail.
Recovered this rebar with cap at a stone mound, not where it should of been, but that's another story. Field notes by surveyor 1 said he found the stone mound, and set his rebar with Aluminum cap. Nothing else noted. Surveyor 2 comes along a few years later, ties in the rebar and cap, and spends time searching at the computed location for the stone mound that is called to have a square headed galvanized bolt in it, doesn't find it and goes on. We come along, and while examining the stone mound, brush some of the dirt away from around the rebar, and, there is the square headed bolt. 
Field Dog, post: 401012, member: 9186 wrote: Good story! I was mistaken about a 5/8" IR being called for in the CCR. The CCR called for a 2" old iron pipe, 1.8' +/- deep in a dirt road. I'm pretty sure it was a plat that called for a 5/8" IR. The dirt road is now paved. I don't know why anyone would set a 60D nail in lieu of the pipe. Maybe they didn't want to dig for the pipe, and they used the corner references to set the nail.
Are you sure the pipe isn't under the nail?
Tie the nail, yank it and dig. You may be pleasantly surprised...
Field Dog, post: 401012, member: 9186 wrote: Good story! I was mistaken about a 5/8" IR being called for in the CCR. The CCR called for a 2" old iron pipe, 1.8' +/- deep in a dirt road. I'm pretty sure it was a plat that called for a 5/8" IR. The dirt road is now paved. I don't know why anyone would set a 60D nail in lieu of the pipe. Maybe they didn't want to dig for the pipe, and they used the corner references to set the nail.
I know there have been times that i have driven a nail into a pipe just so we could flag it since we were unable to dig around it for some reason or the other.