lotline distances on townships from areas

You would get rough (scaled) distances by inserting the scanned image into AUtocad and scale it to match the actual known bearings and distances. AUtocad can quickly calculate the area of the figure.

Thanks Perry. I, however, need the "plat" distances. The BLM manual has a specific way to determine those distances based on the areas and the given distances. I am having trouble getting anything to work, and I was hoping someone else could help with it. I typed in the pertinent values in my first post.

What do the field notes tell you about the 1/4 - MC situation?

Was Lot 4 invaded by the river meanders?

I want to know the original call for the west line of lot 3/east line of lot 4. We have found monuments and I would like to know distances to proportion against to place the sw cor. lot 3/se cor. lot 4. In short, I am after the "platted" lot distances.

I think that is understood, however, if I am not mistaken, more info is required to attain that solution. Posting the government notes or a link to them would help. Also, notes showing how they ran the north line of the township adjacent to your section and how they meandered the river may clear things up.

Darrell,
I will go after the original notes. Generally, areas are calculated by the lot line distances by the draftsman. As a rule, you can work backwards to get the distances from the areas and the given information. But it sounds like everyone already understand that. I am guessing that no one else has been able to derive the information from the given data. (Which doesn't surprise me, I was not able to figure it out either.)

From what I was able to find the areas of lots 1-4 in Sections 5 & 6 seem to work, but the areas of lots 4 & 5 in Section 4 do not seem to work. In other words " more info, may tell the tale".
DWC

Parenthetical distances

The Manual explains how to perform these calculations beginning at Section 9-62. I can't read the numbers on the posted plat, so i can't help with the math.

Thank you Doug. I got the other sections to work too. How did you get the plat? Were you able to read what I uploaded? Did you find it somewhere else and can you link to it?

Thanks for your help.

Tom

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Thanks Jim. I did write the areas and the pertinent numbers in my post, but that might be hard to follow. Maybe I can create a better sketch.

There is a very good copy here:

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/

I got it the same place as Jeff.

Parenthetical distances

I went online and looked at the Plat last night after your post. From what I could tell it looks like the calced acreage for Lot 4 is mistaken. I don't see how there will be 40 acres remaining in Lot 4 and still have 80 acres in the S1/2NW1/4.
I would take the monuments you found and the meander corners and see how many acres there in the whole north 1/2 and begin to see where if there might be a mistake.

Also; if you are using what is online for info be careful. More than once (including just last week) I've used that web site for plats and found out after calling the BLM office that there are later plats. You've probably already done that.

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Does this look better?

Adamsurveyor - have you seen the BLM website for GLO Records and plats?

GLO Records and Plats

> Distance on the west side of lot 4 is 17.18. Acres of lot 2, is 19.92; lot 3 is 34.60, lot 4 is 40.05, and lot 5 is 37.18. The distance from the northwest corner to the north 1/4 corner, (or possibly from the nw corner to the intersection of the meander line) is 40.05.
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> My question is, what is the original distance of the east line of lot 4/west line of lot 3.
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I can't read a friggin' thing on those images - Looks like you have record dims & areas given for the SW 1/4 and the aliquot parts of the NW (areas anyways). Using that data, I would proceed by trying to get (proportioning) the north line and south lines of Lot 4. Then with those distances, the given west line distance & the area of Lot 4, back calc the east line dist.

Parenthetical distances

Thank you Scott.

Parenthetical distances

Thank you MM. I agree that there must be an error. the whole north tier seems to me to be short and having 40.05 acres doesn't seem to work to me.

I'll check for later plats and original notes. I was just trying to get through the exercise of getting the (parenthetical) distances.

butch,

sorry about the images. I scanned the old plat in my office and have a good image on my computer. It seems to be degraded when I upload. If you look at some of the other posts, there is a better way to get the images on line. scotland posted a great image of that area.

I am only trying to get the original "parenthetical" calls based off the published areas. I think there is an error on the plat.

It could be I looking at this wrong. If 20 chains projected along the east line of lot 1 is used to calculate the north line of Lot 1 and the north line of the S1/2NW1/4; and then the meander line is placed through lots 1-3 there could well be 210.63 Acres remaining-which is record. If that is correct then the lines between 2&3, 3&4, and 4&5 would need to be adjusted to reflect the acreages. Normally I would use a section breakdown for the east-west placement of those lines; but if there is enough area to provide for the record acreages then those lines may need to be adjusted east and west and that might be the solution.