John,
I would not call you old school. If you are then I am also. I used angle right 99% of the time in the field before I jumped the fence into this side of the business. There are tons of users that would ask about the same thing.
I understand what is happening in the background with Leica in this combination TS06 and CS controller. The instrument is feeding the horizontal angle to the controller and right now this is the way it works. I have also fielded the support call many times where a crew calls in and thinks that something is wrong when they see this situation. I like that they are paying attention 🙂 The issue would be solved if there was a routine in SmartWorx that handled angle right specifically. Globally (internally) the system is recording in Azimuth in the background. We probably need to go back and see what the options could be so both the FlexLine series or any other manual total station could have zero on the backsight and then the relationship would be converted inside SmartWorx on the controller.
Hi Mark,
I recently started using the software since I bought TS15I about 3-4 months ago.
I did like TDS on board software on my old Leica TRCA1105 plus and pretty everybody liked it.
After Leica broke up with TDS company the on board software was very weird so everybody had to buy data collectors in order to utilize a third party software.
So this time (with software) Leica finally did it right, which took them a while BTW.
My comments are following:
1. I did like “append” option within TDS software which allowed on the fly to add more info to code without utilizing attributes (extra step) plus working with quick codes there was option to append the second quick code without any problem. I am pretty sure everyone will be happy with having the same option within Viva software.
2. Quick codes option within Viva software is not even close to whatever it was in TDS software.
The main difference that the user should be able to have a quick code feature on but be able to type codes at the same time manually. The quick code feature normally would recognize only numbers, therefore if user would utilize letters it should work as manual code entering feature without turning off a quick codes option.
3. I was told by Leica tech support that the importing “working styles” created on CS15 would not work because it a slightly different software (which is not) therefore they should make it work.
I did try it by myself and have to confirm that the total station import doesn’t see the working style that has been created on CS15, which is weird.
Gregory P.L.S.
Looking at using Smartworx as a TS DC. In stakeout to a point, is there a way to get it to display the AR and D to the point that you're staking, similar to other DC's?
Yes, once you shoot a distance, it'll tell you L/R, In/Out, but it'd be nice to be able to turn the correct AR to start, and pace out the distance. Thanks
Got it:
You get to the stake point menu, and hit the Fn key, Config, and pick the Graphics tab, and set it for From Instrument, and then Navigate using Direction & Distance, to start with, and it gives you the angle difference from your 0. It changes as you move it, till you’re online with the staking point. Then if you go back to Graphics, and change it to Navigate using Left/right, hit Dist, and it’ll give you the arrows and distances In/Out and Left/Right.
Works, but it’s still a little awkward compared to the other DC’s.
John,
I apologize... I did not get a message in my email that someone had posted something new.
There 2 ways in the full version of SmartWorx if you are using a manual total station. You can choose an option in the Configuration menu to display the angle and distance to the point. If you use it once you select your stakeout point this information will be displayed in the yellow message bar at the bottom of the screen. However, the message goes away after about 4 seconds and yo would need to select the stakeout point again to get the message to appear again. This is not very useful.
The option to use is to select your stakeout point, then select the Green Function Key (Fn) and choose F3 (2D POS). The software will display a countdown value... so to the instrument man just turns the horizontal motion until the angle value displayed is at zero in this scree. This example is for staking a point at 45 degrees to to the right of the current line of sight:
It is different than other programs in that you just turn until you reach zero instead of constantly looking at the stake out angle and trying to match it with the display on the data collector. The screen does not give a distance. If you turn on the message option too you could call out the distance and then then select the 2D POS function and turn the angle.
If you want to turn on the message with the angle and distance...
1. In Stakeout Screen select the green function key (Fn) then F2 (CONFIG)
2.In the General Page of the stakeout option scroll down and select "Show direction message to next point... and the choose Directions from = Instrument if you are using a manual total station.
Mark great post i must have missed this when originally posted.
Question for you. When processing your data after i see a setup why is there always a side shot to the backsight follwoing the setup.
I could see if you were setting orientation but this occurs even when backsighting a known bs.
For example
STN 5 5.250 "152"
! Atmospheric PPM: -8.0
! Prism type: Leica Circ Prism 0.0
PRISM 5.450
! SP,PN4,N 4978.6252,E 5263.6422,EL483.4777,--152
AZ 5 4 179.27282
BS 4 0.00000
F1 VA 4 0.00000 122.192 90.56242 "152"
! Delta horiz dist: 0.0012 Delta height: 0.0805
! TPS Survey 5.00
PRISM 6.300
F1 VA 319 347.17334 112.210 90.48074 "255"
PRISM 5.520
F1 VA 320 333.03563 106.328 91.10396 "255"
PRISM 11.150
F1 VA 321 320.51277 114.394 88.20140 "255"
PRISM 5.520
F1 VA 322 312.25570 117.367 91.10143 "255"
F1 VA 323 297.07254 118.683 91.08417 "255"
PRISM 9.600
F1 VA 324 287.03308 115.770 89.13518 "255"
PRISM 5.520
F1 VA 325 281.16026 99.182 91.27563 "255"
F1 VA 326 279.56501 110.396 91.19071 "255"
F1 VA 327 281.17513 121.201 91.16208 "255"
My go to is to delete this line.
Whats weird after some testing for whatever reason on my LDD C3d if i dont delete this i get no warning about pt already existing and it doesn't seem to effect the coords. I suspected that if there was a shot to the same number as your bs immediately following a bs there was a setting to ignore it but i never moved the f1 VA to the bs to another spot in the data... (if that makes sense).
In my Carlson 2017 sw that is not the case.
MAG-EYE, post: 416319, member: 8763 wrote: Question for you. When processing your data after i see a setup why is there always a side shot to the backsight follwoing the setup
When you go to export a job and download you are offered a number of criteria as to class of observations.
Looking at the example of your raw data above, how is it you can record your horizontal observations in that format? It looks like the last ten seconds of the recorded angle are truncated into decimal. I know i'm missing something here.
If you didn't want to overwrite the coordinates of an existing point, with an update from the raw record, you could leave one space in your numbering, say starting at 2001, if you were in the 2000 point range, and then later renumber the observation of your backsight to 2000, to maintain the record.
I never understood where those decimals of a second are coming from.
But really my question was the line in red it is a s/s to my bs #.
this is automatically generated.
Which is good in an open trav. otherwise your initial bs will not have coords.
But this occurs even when backsighting a known backsight.
As I said I just delete this line ( the one in red)
I started seeing this in the data since moving to leica viva. I suspect it has something to do with the smartworx engine exporting the data.
Boy do I miss TDS.
Yeah, I notice that too, and like you, delete it. I'm not sure if the export format makes a difference - whether you pick TDS, Carlson, etc, Raw, Rw5, etc. I think that no matter which way you export, you get that BS shot.
(forehead slap) I mistook your Point_ID# for the degrees in the observation, pay no attention to that.
A question related to Viva and also Captivate -
In "Survey" a 2 face observation key can be made by pressing FNC key (star key in captivate). This brings up various shortcuts including a 2 face observation.
But - only if the distance measurement is set to "Single". When control surveying I would typically use "Average" and the 2 face button disappears...
Squowse,
I'm not sure why you would use the 'Average' shots. The 'standard' mode actually take multiple measurements and returns an averaged measurement. The 'Average' mode just takes several 'standard' shots and averages them. You get the same results by turning multiple sets of angles with the added value of better angles.
Squowse and others,
how are you shooting your sets of angles? Not your trav. stations just other shots you want to double.
I have been just shooting my mons with 2 face. Theres no way im creating a trav. loop for every monument I want to double.
Worst part about 2face is there is no way that I have found to set a tolerance. (dangerous)
Anybody know if that has changed in newer versions of sw?
Hi all just an FYI - I'm pretty sure Mark has gone back to work for Leica so it's unlikely that you'll see him posting here - at least not openly.
MAG-EYE, post: 416738, member: 8763 wrote: Squowse and others,
how are you shooting your sets of angles? Not your trav. stations just other shots you want to double.
I have been just shooting my mons with 2 face. Theres no way im creating a trav. loop for every monument I want to double.
Worst part about 2face is there is no way that I have found to set a tolerance. (dangerous)
Anybody know if that has changed in newer versions of sw?
That's how we double our points, using traverse for everything. But we rarely use it for anything but topo, and mostly use the Carlson DC's for all of our real traverses. Smartworx just isn't all that user friendly.
MAG-EYE, post: 416738, member: 8763 wrote: Squowse and others,
how are you shooting your sets of angles? Not your trav. stations just other shots you want to double.
I have been just shooting my mons with 2 face. Theres no way im creating a trav. loop for every monument I want to double.
Worst part about 2face is there is no way that I have found to set a tolerance. (dangerous)
Anybody know if that has changed in newer versions of sw?
I have used sets of angles but it's not on the instrument I was using yesterday.
Also it is quite time consuming to setup for one observation.
I just find it odd that they have programmed the button to disappear. Drove me nuts trying to work out why the button wasn't there the first time. I was looking everywhere for it.
John Putnam, post: 416715, member: 1188 wrote: Squowse,
I'm not sure why you would use the 'Average' shots. The 'standard' mode actually take multiple measurements and returns an averaged measurement. The 'Average' mode just takes several 'standard' shots and averages them. You get the same results by turning multiple sets of angles with the added value of better angles.
Agreed but sometimes I don't have the sets of angles app.
At least with sets of angles the tripod and tribrach are getting a bit of a workout and the slop is measured and averaged out (hopefully).
It wouldn't hurt for the "average" distance measurement setting to average the angles as well when in autolock. Would help with heat shimmer.
I also use the average setting when observing a pole shot that may be a bit wobbly. Not for critical stuff but it brings the resection residuals down a little and saves a walk back and re-observation occasionally.
I consider myself a lowest grade user of SmartWorx Viva as I am used to other data collection application. I don't know if it is accurate to say that Smartworx Viva only provides the most basic offset routines. Comparing it to Fieldgenius, Smartworx is a way behind in terms of offset capability. SurvCE provides CAD module thus a way way ahead of Smartworx in terms of F2F capability. For me, the Road module of SurvCE is much better comprared to that of Fieldgenius and Smartworx. Smartworx Viva is superior in other aspects like coordinate transformation. Special applications like Zenith Line and Unlevelled Setup are only available in Smartworx Viva and Captivate. Overall, I tend to believe that Smartworx Viva provides more comprehensive results in terms of geodetic values. I don't know.
If Smartworx Viva upgrades its offset routines to at least at par with SurvCE and provides CAD module then I would say that it is undoubtedly the most powerfuly data collection system.
As a Civil 3D user I would like to see full support for the linework code sets from Civil 3D. Some of the curve and special codes would be really nice to have in the field. Smartworx only supports some of the linework options available in Civil 3D. As always, being able to review your linework in real time in the field with identical results to your CAD package is ideal.
I would also like to see better support documentation on configuring Smartworx, LGO, and Civil 3D. I am a big fan of youtube videos or even training videos available on Leica myworld. There is a shocking lack of training videos available on myworld for Smartworx. Most of the videos on myworld only address updating firmware.
amdomag, post: 417791, member: 1683 wrote: For me, the Road module of SurvCE is much better comprared to that of Fieldgenius and Smartworx.
Roadrunner is far more robust than SurvCE, the learning curve is steep but the pay off is impressive.
