My latest pet peeve is one of many. We are supposed to cap all of our set pins yet few surveyors do. New found irons and they are uncapped.
Hey, when you find an uncapped rebar:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202244565691
When I was in business, I used 1?«" and 2" aluminum caps on a 16" long 5/8" rebar, and brass caps, all inscribed with the data?ÿpertaining to?ÿthe corner they were intended to represent.?ÿNever set a bare rebar and a full description of the monument was on the plat, no description such as pin, iron, or other such non meaning short cut description were ever used. Also monments established or recovered by survey were fully described or noted in the land description.
I figured we are supposed to be professionals, so why not set a professional monument.
New irons and no caps are standard operating procedures for many surveyors. I find them all the time and have talked with a one of our peers and have been told they refuse to use them because they were not personally consulted or informed of the rules. I did some work in a brand new subdivision about 6 months ago and all the pins on the back lines had no caps. This subdivision was not complete but all the back corners were in place and not a single cap.
That's the lever you need to get the guy in front of the board.?ÿ
Norman, If I were to go down that road I would probably have to turn in 1/3 to 1/2 of the surveyors in the state. It is that bad. And how would I "prove" that the iron I found is the original iron. By setting irons with no cap it is deniability by design.?ÿ
I went back and looked at all of the surveys in the past year and I have found 3 capped pins out of hundreds. Finding a capped pin is the exception not the rule.
..sometimes think one-sided discussions about coordinates.
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Norman, If I were to go down that road I would probably have to turn in 1/3 to 1/2 of the surveyors in the state. It is that bad. And how would I "prove" that the iron I found is the original iron. By setting irons with no cap it is deniability by design.?ÿ
You start with the worst offenders and the rest smarten up pretty quick.
My latest pet peeve is one of many. We are supposed to cap all of our set pins yet few surveyors do. New found irons and they are uncapped.
Hey, when you find an uncapped rebar:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202244565691
Nate's the man.
ubenhavin
Speaking of mon cases - what about those guys who put the cap on upside down and the vehicles pound it down to where no one will ever remove it?
....the lesser version of that is the mon cases with a couple bolts screwing it down, and of course they??re rusted shut.?ÿ
Most surveyors in my area only show IPF or IPS on their plats. Most attorneys, when given a plat that describes each corner marker will write in their legal description, " To a point"
New irons and no caps are standard operating procedures for many surveyors. I find them all the time and have talked with a one of our peers and have been told they refuse to use them because they were not personally consulted or informed of the rules. I did some work in a brand new subdivision about 6 months ago and all the pins on the back lines had no caps. This subdivision was not complete but all the back corners were in place and not a single cap.
What's the fine for doing this?
New irons and no caps are standard operating procedures for many surveyors. I find them all the time and have talked with a one of our peers and have been told they refuse to use them because they were not personally consulted or informed of the rules. I did some work in a brand new subdivision about 6 months ago and all the pins on the back lines had no caps. This subdivision was not complete but all the back corners were in place and not a single cap.
What's the fine for doing this?
To my knowledge there is no fine.
http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/GAC/180-7-.05
Policies and rules without serious consequences are worthless.
Monuments with caps are rare as hen's teeth around here.?ÿ Customary is a brass tag, stamped with the surveyor's LS number, wired to a rebar, preferably with monel wire.?ÿ The tag is wired to the rebar a few inches below the exposed top of the rebar,?ÿ so may not be visible without a bit of digging.?ÿ?ÿ
Policies and rules without serious consequences are worthless.
Policies and rules without serious consequences are worthless to a man with no sense of right and wrong [fixed]
Policies and rules without serious consequences are worthless.
In Oklahoma failure to properly affix the proper information to your monuments is considered Failure to Maintain Minimum Standards for the Practice of Land Surveying and carries a minimum fine of $500.?ÿ It can result in a fine as high as $2500 and result in license suspension or revocation.?ÿ
There are a surprising number of surveyors that have been busted for this.?ÿ Generally though it's after multiple documented failures.?ÿ Most "first time offenders" just get a slap on the wrist and a nasty letter.
I have been out staking monuments and discovered that my pouch containing caps was empty and kept setting monuments. Had to come back and put a cap on all the ones missing the ID cap.
There is never getting away from saying that a surveyor is not aware of the rules. Being aware of the rules is part of being able to renew your license and the BOR public notifies what the rules are. As part of renewing the license, it is clearly stated that you have to read or quote the surveyor's oath and acknowledge that fact whether it is done by mail and/or online.
At first notification, the BOR will reprimand the surveyor and if not corrected it will turn into a fine and perhaps $1,500 per episode and eventually suspended license with probable loss of license if the surveyor refuses to comply.
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I have been out staking monuments and discovered that my pouch containing caps was empty and kept setting monuments. Had to come back and put a cap on all the ones missing the ID cap.
It's been a few years but this very scenario played a part in a complaint against a surveyor who needed to return to a job because he ran out of caps.?ÿ After much discussion our State Board determined the date stated on the published survey would be the official date the job was "completed".?ÿ This gives us all a little leeway if we need to get back to a job to possibly "tweak" some details.
- Why do we need regulations telling us to cap our monuments? We should be doing it becasue we take pride in our work. In my opinion putting a piece of metal on the ground with no identification, and then calling it an IP on the plat is an incomplete survey. Why is there resistance to this?
It's so expensive to put a cap on. They cost $2-3. How can a client afford that!!!!
My pet peeve, surveyors are so unprofessional. No caps on their rebars ??ÿ Case closed.