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 FLS
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I am trying to describe a 6 acre island that has a very mucky non defined edge. It is a creek that floods every year and changes the edge of the island some. I will tie it back to our main land parcel, and I'm thinking of doing a very rough metes and bounds around the island.

Any other ideas or thoughts?

Thanks,

 
Posted : 09/06/2016 3:13 pm
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Is it an area that has an established mean high water line elevation? If so, that could provide a good basis for defining its limits. From the sounds of your description, though, this is probably not the case. If there is an upland vegetative high water line that could also be an option.

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Posted : 09/06/2016 3:24 pm
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The island is not in the main channel anymore and the creek just floods not flows in this area anymore. So, the edge isn't defined.

 
Posted : 09/06/2016 3:31 pm
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How has it been described in the record? If it actually has been...

 
Posted : 09/06/2016 3:48 pm
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"All of an island situated in and surrounded by a creek in Great Lot ......... containing 6 acres."

 
Posted : 09/06/2016 3:52 pm
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Sounds good to me....

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Posted : 09/06/2016 4:19 pm
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FLS, post: 376493, member: 647 wrote: "All of an island situated in and surrounded by a creek in Great Lot ......... containing 6 acres."

and more particularly described as follows, (then procede to write around the island, using the thalweg.... With as of a particular date, being written into the desc.
Riparian rights, change with the rain, from upstream. Always put a date of survey on it.
This is a bit like spc needs a date... Because things shift over time.
I believe in plate shift, even though I don't buy into "millions of years ago".

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Posted : 10/06/2016 10:52 am
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s it worth doing a metes-and-bounds description around a boundary that is, in essence, in a constant state of flux? If you do, I would suggest that the calls are not written to the hundredth and the nearest second. Maybe to the foot and minute, and the area rounded to the nearest acre or tenth. (but I don't know....never did one of those, and am thinking as I type).

 
Posted : 10/06/2016 11:17 am
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Or describe a meander line, for purposes of calculating acreage for sale. The ownership will be in the state of constant flux.

 
Posted : 10/06/2016 11:28 am
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I suggest contacting somebody schooled in riparian boundaries in YOUR State ...

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Posted : 10/06/2016 1:40 pm
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Dan B. Robison, post: 376614, member: 34 wrote: I suggest contacting somebody schooled in riparian boundaries in YOUR State ...

DDSM

Ding! Ding!

Dan wins the correct answer prize...

 
Posted : 10/06/2016 1:59 pm
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Arkansas:
Dear Uncle Dan,
Is it true that if an sand spit island grows up in the Arkansas River and I plant Pine trees on it and have Nate survey it with a transit or a compass/tape or a Havad Least Beast, that I trim the trees and camp on it and pay taxes for seven years and the county builds a foot bridge????

WELL?

WELL??

I'm RIGHT ain't I??

The County owes me for a toll bridge due to MY Quiet/quit title DEED 'cuz I done claimed it as my own 'Cuz everybody knows it's mine... Even shows up on the riverboat map of the UNITED STATES CORPS OF ENGINEERS as an ISLAND...ain't that RIGHT?? My Brother knows a feller who works for the Highway Department and he say's it's MINE...

All I kneed for you to do is draught a plan showing MY ISLAND and scribe up some words tellin' EVERYBODY exactly what is MY ISLAND!!!

I don't think this should take you more than an hour 'cuz the real estate gal done did it on her computer and her's even show that I don't owe that FEMER guy no flood money..

Please hurry 'cuz the last rain upstream done warshed away half the island and the hog pen...

 
Posted : 10/06/2016 1:59 pm
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I think I'm going to give a approximate tie from a reference point on main land to the shoreline of island. Then describe it as an island in an oxbow bounded by adjoining land owners and centerline of main channel.....

 
Posted : 11/06/2016 4:31 am
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FLS, post: 376703, member: 647 wrote: I think I'm going to give a approximate tie from a reference point on main land to the shoreline of island. Then describe it as an island in an oxbow bounded by adjoining land owners and centerline of main channel.....

That is an interesting one. I'm not sure it would still be bounded by the cl main channel, but you may be right. But describing the location so it can be found again, and so it can be recognized as coming from the previous deed is the main surveyors job. I might try to use two or more real stable and enduring ties on the mainland along with a meander line. Might even be a case (please forgive me old time survey gods) where SPC in a description would prove useful.

 
Posted : 11/06/2016 5:01 am