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I just ran across this doing some research. It kind of looks like a survey, maybe.

Just wondering what others thought of it.


 
Posted : June 3, 2015 1:01 pm
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I would be more inclined to say practicing law or even practicing outside of his discipline. But what do I know, I'm a surveyor not an engineer or attorney.

SD


 
Posted : June 3, 2015 1:05 pm
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It doesn't look like a Survey to me. It appears to be a 'record document review' of sorts. I would be surprised (amazed actually) if there were any field work done.
We provide compilations of records showing how a written easement relates to a written description. I guarantee you won't confuse one of those with a survey. We say more about what it isn't than what it is....


 
Posted : June 3, 2015 1:09 pm
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what ever it is,

I'm reasonably certain it's "NOT OFFICIAL"...
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(No thanks needed, just being my usual helpful self 🙂 )


 
Posted : June 3, 2015 1:39 pm
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Not in FL....

"thence blaa, blaa to a "POINT" :-S

What in hell is a point? 😉


 
Posted : June 3, 2015 2:13 pm

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Is this a survey? I don't know,

It sure quacks like a title judge though.


 
Posted : June 3, 2015 3:01 pm
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A point is

A spot in the dirt, where I made a plumb bob dimple, some 25 yrs ago!

Just, to clear that "Point" up!

🙂

N


 
Posted : June 3, 2015 3:01 pm
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Not a survey, but...

It's not a survey, but sure looks like an opinion on boundary and title matters that would legitimately be within the practice of surveying.

I don't know what authority a PE license allows for as to boundary matters in OK, but in CA (if licensed as a PE after 12/31/81), this would be considered practicing without a license. Whether it would be practicing surveying or law might be a fine line, but it certainly is not within the practice of civil engineering.


 
Posted : June 3, 2015 3:34 pm
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It almost seems like a misc. filing of sorts. Unfortunately, it is probably one that has been relied on my people for 20+ years now.

Does this metes and bounds appear anywhere else prior to Mr. Engineers certification of his opinion on it?

What he seems to be certifying is basically an opinion that anyone can have. If anything, he may be more guilty of playing a pseudo title examiner than a land surveyor.

A gray area for sure either way you slice it though...


 
Posted : June 3, 2015 5:06 pm
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What in hell is a point? 😉

The pointy end of a colloquial pin?


Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

 
Posted : June 3, 2015 5:09 pm

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> It almost seems like a misc. filing of sorts...

It is filed as a "survey", which is a filing category in Cleveland county.


 
Posted : June 3, 2015 8:13 pm
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If that is who I think it is, I used to work for his daddy, former RLS 12, in 1973.

He should know better.


 
Posted : June 4, 2015 1:37 pm
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Stephen,

Tom isn't any relation to Uncle Neal.

Small world. I worked for Neal (and Steve Morrison) at McCaleb in 1972. Started at the Edmond Office and wound up in the Colcord Bldg. crawling all over old OKC when they were doing the OCURA (Urban Renewal Authority).

...too many years ago...o.O


 
Posted : June 4, 2015 2:14 pm
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Good point.


 
Posted : June 4, 2015 3:35 pm
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Usually short for 'point of intersection'.


 
Posted : June 4, 2015 9:59 pm

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Wattles section 3.13 says that "to a point" is not necessary, unless there is a lateral tie that must be held (which in that case the Point becomes a qualified control).
An intersection of two lines is a point.

Wattles (1979). Writing Legal Descriptions. Gurdon H. Wattles Publications. Pp 3.13.


 
Posted : June 5, 2015 12:27 pm