Andy, I've got a great idea...
That sounds like a good idea, think I'll try it next time I've go about 50 to do 😉
Andy, I've got a great idea...
3019,838011.900,756482.353,20.759,EG
3020,838013.665,756592.348,21.288,EG
3021,838103.896,756594.474,23.009,EG
3022,838139.328,756555.689,21.635,EG
3023,838137.278,756480.902,20.075,EG
3024,838082.508,756463.689,20.324,EG
3025,838110.660,756489.967,32.282,EG
3026,838108.086,756504.573,33.469,EG
3027,838026.162,756502.089,34.588,EG
3028,838027.072,756520.250,34.523,EG
3029,838067.573,756554.867,61.248,TOP OF HILL
3030,838084.968,756549.614,60.103,TOP OF HILL
3031,837961.045,756411.500,20.741,EG
3032,837986.599,756293.134,22.083,EG
3033,837960.940,756284.570,20.213,EG
3034,837894.569,756347.251,19.969,EG
3035,837834.756,756429.784,19.318,EG
3036,837864.985,756457.932,20.544,EG
3037,837941.804,756434.162,20.768,EG
3038,837904.157,756426.006,33.916,TOP
3039,837875.744,756438.704,33.493,TOP
3040,837858.120,756425.388,33.445,TOP
3041,837880.978,756400.099,33.424,TOP
3042,837886.627,756374.204,31.561,TOP
3043,837956.835,756308.561,33.246,TOP
3044,837976.415,756298.112,29.648,TOP
3045,837964.886,756311.718,32.879,TOP
3046,837961.997,756337.858,33.335,TOP
3047,837944.557,756384.070,33.599,TOP
here is the point data... but Randy G worked it out for me. I used a pentagonal pyramid and got a pretty good estimate for the bigger pile. points are #, N,E,Z,D
in case you want to work it out for fun!
Andy a cookbook for auto 2000 LDD
Andy you need to have Terrain for this:
If you made your two surfaces, then I would create contours for them just as a sanity check, You don't want any odd points in there. Then under Terrain/Select Current Stratum-it will ask for you to select a stratum but there isn't one there so pick new. A box will come up asking for a name (Andy Stratum) for the Stratum so give it one then select the two surfaces Surface 1 will be the pile base and Surface 2 the pile. Then go to define site under Terrain/Site Definition and window out your pile-starting with lower left (you want it to be clear of the pile going north and east) and 0 rotation it will ask for a grid size N and M, for a small pile 1 will work fine then pick the upper right; this puts the pile in a box. Then it will ask for a site name (Andy Site). Then go back to Terrain/Grid Volumes/Calculate total site volumes-pick your site off the select site box-it should ask for grid volume settings-I always just say ok-then Volume Results Surface-it wants a name (Andy Volume) and say ok-Then it will write out a volume-should be a fill if you did it right. Whew!
Hey Andy
I'm in the process of learning the new Trimble software TBC so I took a stab at your piles. I get 7003cuyd and 3966cuyd. How does that compare with some of the other answers you received?
John
Randy's numbers were... 4340 cy in the west one, 7080 cy in the east.
Andy a cookbook for auto 2000 LDD
thanks I will give that a shot and see what happens!!
Just a quick double check that we are using:
PNEZD not pENzd, right?
Do the mounds look like this?
PNEZD
or like this?
PENZD
Of course after thinking a minute, it probably makes no difference no differene on the quantity...
yep!
big pile!
Andy, I've got a great idea...
I took some liberties with the points and subsequent breaklines that defined the two piles:
With this information, here is what I came up with:
NE Pile
>Cut volume: 0.0 C.F., 0.00 C.Y.
>Fill volume: 194,466.1 C.F., 7,202.45 C.Y.
>
>Area in Cut : 0.0 S.F., 0.00 Acres
>Area in Fill: 14,539.6 S.F., 0.33 Acres
>Total inclusion area: 14,539.6 S.F., 0.33 Acres
SW Pile
>Cut volume: 0.0 C.F., 0.00 C.Y.
>Fill volume: 120,308.6 C.F., 4,455.87 C.Y.
>
>Area in Cut : 0.0 S.F., 0.00 Acres
>Area in Fill: 13,203.7 S.F., 0.30 Acres
>Total inclusion area: 13,203.7 S.F., 0.30 Acres
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Ladd Nelson
You wanna fly me down for these type of jobs?
I'm willing to help ya out...especially when its 28 degrees and windy..;-)
Ladd
Wonder what I am doing wrong?
NE Pile: (I know here I only did surface by one TIN assuming 21.5 base elevation)
Volumes by Triangulation (Prisms) Sun Dec 18 15:10:37 2011
Existing Surface: C:UsersBradDesktopAndy NE.tin
Final Surface: Elevation of 21.50 feet
Cut volume: 182,690.8 C.F., 6,766.32 C.Y.
Fill volume: 111.7 C.F., 4.14 C.Y.
Area in Cut : 12,905.8 S.F., 0.30 Acres
Area in Fill: 234.9 S.F., 0.01 Acres
Total inclusion area: 13,140.7 S.F., 0.30 Acres
Average Cut Depth: 14.16 feet
Average Fill Depth: 0.48 feet
Cut to Fill ratio: 1635.04
Export Volume: 6,762.2 C.Y.
Elevation Change To Reach Balance: 13.894
Volume Change Per .1 ft: 48.7 C.Y.
Cut (C.Y.) / Area (acres): 22429.56
Fill (C.Y.) / Area (acres): 13.72
SW Pile: (but here I tried to do two surfaces, the bottom being the points and poyline of EGs)
Volumes by Triangulation (Prisms) Sun Dec 18 15:15:17 2011
Existing Surface: C:UsersBradDesktopAndy SW Bottom.tin
Final Surface: C:UsersBradDesktopAndy SW.tin
Cut volume: 0.0 C.F., 0.00 C.Y.
Fill volume: 79,992.5 C.F., 2,962.69 C.Y.
Area in Cut : 0.0 S.F., 0.00 Acres
Area in Fill: 8,463.4 S.F., 0.19 Acres
Total inclusion area: 8,463.4 S.F., 0.19 Acres
Average Fill Depth: 9.45 feet
Cut to Fill ratio: 0.00
Import Volume: 2,962.7 C.Y.
Elevation Change To Reach Balance: -9.452
Volume Change Per .1 ft: 31.3 C.Y.
Cut (C.Y.) / Area (acres): 0.00
Fill (C.Y.) / Area (acres): 15248.60
Ladd
Hi Brad,
I don't know if there is a "right or wrong" aspect to your approach. However, here are the steps I followed to obtain my results:
- Brought in the data via Draw Field to Finish.
- Used Draw 3D Polyline to generate the breaklines and boundary polylines.
- Made a single "Existing" surface model of just the perimeter points and specified each of the two boundary polylines as Inclusion areas. This resulted in a "two island" surface model. Existing ground under the pile would be interpolated between the EG shots on the perimeters of each pile.
- Made a single "Stockpiles" surface model of all the data and specified each of the two boundary polylines as Inclusion areas. This resulted in a "two island" surface model of the stock-piles.
- Ran the Two Triangulation Surface Volumes routine and picked the appropriate boundary polyline as an Inclusion for each volume run.
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Ladd Nelson
Andy
I have been trying to post a picture of my results but keep getting a problem with file format. What file format are you using. While I've been fiddling with my reply I see several others have posted pictures as well.
The way it used to be done was to draw each 1 foot contour to scale, use a planometer and determine the area of each contour, then average the area of the bottom of one contour with the area of the one above it and compute the volume. When they all are done, add them up.
jud
Here's my numbers...
I hadta watch the Packers loose 🙁 ..oh well.
Here's what I got with average end areas generated from 'guessed' breaklines:
SW Pile: 4403.4 cy
NE Pile: 6999.5 cy
Now, if you'll be so kind as to let me get some billing information from you....;-)
Hope that's in the same ballpark as everybody else.
ditto Georges
It can get expensive.
Here's my numbers...
Paden
How did you get your image to post. I keep getting a file format error when I try to post an image of the piles. I'm using the "upload" button in the post a reply window.
We are almost exactly the same on the large pile but I have a lower value for the small pile. I didn't use any breaklines but just let the software run and calc the volume. I get less than you because the software assumed the top of the pile was much more skinny on the top.
John
The lsst time I was visiting Miami and Ft. Lauderdale,]
there were a bunch of excavation machines working on the
west sides. I am sure they were charging big bucks
per cubic yard.
Here's my numbers...
John,
I created a jpg of my acad screen by hitting the "PrtSc" (print screen) button, then opening up Windows "Paint", right click and choose "Paste". Save it as a jpg..and yeah use the 'upload' button.
I took the liberty of 'trimming' off the menu bars and stuff.
My surfaces probably would have placed the breaklines where they wound up, but I like to ride herd on them...I'd rather have too many than not enough. When you let the software guess where they're at, it's alway wrong (it seems like).
ps - I had a 39 hundred and something value for the small pile, but recalc'd it because I hadn't figured the plane underneath the pile properly (I left some out).
Here's my numbers...
Paden Let's see if this works.
Yessss!!
I had previously tried about 5 or 6 other formats including .JP2 Thanks for your help.
John
