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(@steve-gilbert)
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This is posted on the Alabama BOL website, so it is already public information.

http://www.bels.alabama.gov/pdfs/Harvel,%20Derek%20L.,%20PLS%2018387.pdf

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 1:32 pm
(@sicilian-cowboy)
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Penalty should have been $1,000 per OCCURANCE..........

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 1:37 pm
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so if i read that right he was surveying all throughout the SE and when he needed a stamp in a state he didn't have he just picked a license from someone he didn't know and used it?

how is that not criminal?

burn him!

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 1:50 pm
(@steve-gilbert)
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He was even too stupid to make the $60.00 annual payments to renew his certificates of authorization to work in Alabama.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 1:59 pm
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Are you kidding?!

All those infractions only cost him $1,000.00!! He's laughing at the Alabama Board all the way to the bank. The Board should be charged with nonfeasance at the very least. SHEESH!!!

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 1:59 pm
(@steve-gilbert)
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Are you kidding?!

There may be criminal charges in Mississippi and Georgia for forgery.

I also sent the link to his local newspaper so they might run a story. These enforcement actions are not widely publicised.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 2:15 pm
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Are you kidding?!

I'm guessing they did all they could. Its not like they have the authority to take him out back and shoot him. If I was one of the guys whose license he picked to use, I'd get a lawyer to freeze this guys back account until I got him in court to get my pound of flesh.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 2:15 pm
(@kris-morgan)
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Jesus!

WOW! I bet Mr. Martin and Mr. Preston will be suing the snot out of him in their respective states as well.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 2:16 pm
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He should have been made to pay a surveyor licensed in the relevant states to check and/or re-do his work.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 2:18 pm
(@kris-morgan)
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What's great about this

is that the survey broker who used them may find those surveys null and void now and end up owing someone else some money. A good attorney would sack them all up and shake the bag to see who has the deepest pockets, and I bet Bock & Clark have some deep ones.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 2:18 pm
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Each client should sue him for fraud.

$1000 and can't reapply for licensure for 2 years? It was probably worth it to him.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 2:22 pm
(@steve-gilbert)
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Some of these surveys were for Bock and Clark. He probably didn't charge much for them. Also, it is unlikely the BOL will let him sit for a new exam.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 2:25 pm
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Isn't this document evidence of multiple acts of fraud? Seems like violations of both criminal and civil law to me. Without knowing the scope of authority of the licensing body in Alabama the ruling of the board might be the practical limit of their powers of discipline. It seems likely to head to criminal court when charges are laid by any of the affected parties.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 2:34 pm
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Are you kidding?!

> I also sent the link to his local newspaper so they might run a story. These enforcement actions are not widely publicised.

we will all get a black eye from this kinda story. i can just hear the price shoppers whinning.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 2:41 pm
(@duane-frymire)
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Could be a federal racketeering charge would wake them up.

Civil suits are not going to cut it on these things. Part of the reason for licensing is to ensure the one you retain is indemnified. They use bonds and such for those that are not. Can't get blood from a stone.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 3:21 pm
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Revoke his license and not let him reapply for 2 years? Many of the stipulated facts make it readily apparent that he doesn't mind operating without a license. Heck, he just appropriates someone else's as the need arises! I don't see this as anything but a temporary minor hindrance to his business.

$1000? How much did he charge for all those projects he performed under a dilinquent license or where he stole another's to place on the drawing? Is $1000 even 5% of that? This fine doesn't represent a punitive amount, it's simply the cost of doing business for someone who works without a license.

A serial offender like this should have been referred to the AG's Office and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The amount of fraud represented by these projects calls not only for restitution to the tune of several tens of thousands, but also for prison time, or at least probation for several years.

A person with this sort of disregard for the laws governing the practice of surveying should never, under any circumstances, be given the opportunity to apply for a license again.

The AL Board and AG should be immensly ashamed of themselves!

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 3:39 pm
(@stephen-johnson)
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That much fraud, there should be no question about permanent revocation of his license.

Not only should the other two surveyors listed get a pound or two of his backside. The AG's office of both MS and GA should get the chance to introduce him to Bubba at the rate of 10-20 for each count, to run consecutively. He would only get out in a pine box.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 4:21 pm
(@holy-cow)
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That is an incredible listing of bad decisions on his part. I assume this slap on the hand by the BOL is just the tip of the iceberg. This ruling should make everyone else's case easy to prove. I truly hope the result of all rulings against him become VERY PUBLIC to remind others thinking of doing the same sort of thing of what can be the penalty.

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 5:57 pm
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I Would Say Bock And Clark Is Obligated To Hire A Surveyor

to redo all his work.

Paul in PA

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 6:03 pm
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I Would Say Bock And Clark Is Obligated To Hire A Surveyor

Bock and Clark should be included as the deep pockets in the suits from the surveyors and the consumers.
Hang 'em high

 
Posted : December 16, 2010 7:57 pm
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