If you're going to commit fraud, don't be stupid.

Thanks for the heads up. We'll be sure to use the round one.... (????)

Ps Seriously, have we really got to take advantage of surveyors, in this crazy world?

That's a crazy event.

Too many crooks, not enough integrity.?ÿ

Posted by: @tommy-young

Back last fall I got an email from one of the ALTA outfits that had a recent survey of the subject property.?ÿ I looked it over a few minutes and what caught my eye was the survey had a square seal on it.?ÿ I called a friend that's on the state surveyor's board to ask him if our state allowed a square seal.?ÿ He responded in the negative and I told him about what I had in front of me.?ÿ He was going to call the surveyor to give him a friendly heads up that a square seal was not allowed.

Well, as they say, this is where the excrement hit the propulsion device.

He called the company and was told the surveyor didn't work there.?ÿ He asked for a number where he could be reached and they gave him one.?ÿ He called and told the surveyor what was up, and the surveyor told him that he had not worked there for about a year prior to the date on the survey.

It appears the the owner of the company got a license sometime after the survey in question.

Well, someone filed a complaint with the board.?ÿ The board issued a consent order to revoke the license of the owner of the company and fine him $15,000.?ÿ There are other steps to make this punishment official, so it could be less severe.

The ONLY reason any of this happened is when they forged the stamp, they used a square instead of a circle.?ÿ If they had used a circle, no one would have thought twice about it.

Hey.?ÿ I could send him a Tennessee stamp that's only been used once.?ÿ Of course it has been lapsed for 10 years but it IS round.

Andy

Ran into a situation where an elderly surveyor working at an engineering firm recorded a survey in the months after he'd died.?ÿ I contacted the firm and was told it was legit because he'd been in responsible charge of the survey.?ÿ I questioned how his seal and signature could be dated after his DOD and was told to mind my own business in no uncertain terms.?ÿ That kinda pissed me off so I filed a Board complaint with supporting documentation.?ÿ Didn't hear word back from the Board until six months later when reading the disciplinary actions section of the Board Bulletin and surprise, they'd filed/recorded a half dozen other surveys after his DOD and suffered severe penalties. Sometimes Karma's a bitch.

Any bets on how many times the owner had to take the exam. ?ÿI doubt he passed the 1st time. ?ÿLOL

I thought about buying this for my kids. eBay item:
325012422188

it even has a surveyors stamp!!

n

@nate-the-surveyor?ÿ

Link:?ÿ?ÿ https://www.ebay.com/itm/325012422188

The rotangle might be useful in a woodshop?ÿ

It has been over 35 years since I last saw an electric eraser.?ÿ Had to stare for awhile before recognizing them.

I messed up a good monitor, with an electric eraser, when I first got AutoCad.

(Grin)

N

@nate-the-surveyor?ÿ

Sorta like the secretary using white-out?

Yeah, and it's not covered by the monitor warranty!!

N

@nate-the-surveyor?ÿ

BTW, Nate, you are a sly dog with that telephone story.

@andy-bruner I still have my OR one, itƒ??s square and has also lapsed for about ten or so years.

@bill93 how do those lettering templates work? Thereƒ??s no way for the pen or pencil to reach the underlying medium. ?????ÿ

@richard-germiller those meant to be used with a Leroy device. It has a stylus that follows the template and a pen on an arm that draws the letters.

@dave-karoly did the emoji not post? I know what they are and noticed that the stylus was missing and was acting like a layman.

I miss using that stuff, except the slide rule, dad only gave me one quick lesson on one, so I very rarely used one. One place that I worked had a special slide rule that we used for reducing stadia shots with a vertical reading.

Posted by: @richard-germiller

I miss using that stuff,

Me too.?ÿ Back when I was an ink slinger I had a bad lettering hand (being left handed) so Leroyed everything.?ÿ It was certainly tedious, like hand sewing, but dealing with archival ink on Mylar on a drafting table was fulfilling as I knew my work, my stamp and signature on the original would be forever memorialized at the courthouse as the definitive original.

I transitioned well to the electro whiz bang present drafting technology except it became hard to define "original"; submitted ink jet on Mylar originals degraded within a few years because of ink flaking, the "digital" copy was not the original because of missing pen tables, cell libraries, seed files, layer control masks et. al. and were junk.?ÿ I'm sure it's gotten better in the last 20 years but puleeze, an archival no BS paper/Mylar original for all County documents which cannot be altered should be the gold standard for the recorder's office.?ÿ?ÿ

@mike-marks I too am a left handed writer (went through three years of catholic school and they never tried to ƒ??correctƒ? it) and learned to Leroy pretty well, never could get the back of the Cadliner though.

The Lane County, OR recorder had certain ƒ??recipesƒ? for Mylar type, plotter and ink and it had to be stated on the plat. Not sure what they do now since I think itƒ??s all digital now.

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