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How to set NGS style monuments?

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I have been tasked with setting six NGS style monuments that require 4' x 9/16" rods driven to an average depth of 16'-20'.?ÿ In the past I've driven them with a 16# sledge, but I'm older and smarter now.?ÿ What are you gentlemen using to drive these rods??ÿ Electric demolition hammer and a generator?

 
Posted : 13/06/2018 5:59 pm
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Something along these lines seem to be the "hot ticket," although prices vary A LOT ($250 to well over a grand).

http://skidril.com/g20merch.htm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5t28h6bS2wIViV9-Ch2bRwCUEAQYASABEgL1X_D_BwE

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Posted : 13/06/2018 8:22 pm
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I'm guessing you are using the screw together rods, I will use a fence post driver to get them in till you get major resistance, then cut them off to near grade. The last little bit is with a big hammer. The point of refusal is when my arm refuses to pound anymore. Loyal's gas powered driver looks interesting and it has a shorter cylinder than a manual driver so you can get closer to the ground.?ÿ

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 2:16 am
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I have used gas powered and electric powered jack hammers to drive #7 rebar down to 5 feet. We rented the equipment from a rental store. I think the cup used to put over the rebar is the type used by commercial tent companies to drive their stakes when setting up wedding tents.?ÿ

Gregg

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 3:50 am
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While I have never done the NGS rods myself, to elaborate on GMPLSs comment, for a few years now I have equipped my truck with a Honda 2k gen and a Bosch sds max hammer drill. To drive #5 bar I use a ground rod driver, it's designed for electricians I'm told, can use #6 too if you like.... Last week I drove 41 18inchers for block corners in about 5 hours, saves a ton of strain on my right elbow. I also carry big coring bits to set caps in asphalt/concrete, a spade bit and chisel bit to dig up gravel roads. Cadastral work and hwy row corners make up 100% of what I do, so the tools pay themselves off.

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 4:00 am
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NOS NGS 1 defines refusal as resisting a static force of 250 kg.?ÿ USACE EM 1100-1-1002 defines it as "the depth at which the rod refuses to drive further or until a driving rate of 60 seconds or less per foot is achieved with a power reciprocating rod driver such as a Pionjar Model 120 or similar device with equivalent driving force of 26.9 foot-pounds/blow and an average of 2,500 blows per minute."

I use a 60-lb. electric jackhammer for the purpose.?ÿ After renting one a couple of times I figured I'd save money by buying one, so I got a Bosch Brute.?ÿ I don't use it often, but when I do it's nice not to have to hassle with the rental thing, and it has long since paid for itself.

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 5:31 am
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Pedantically speaking, there are some problems with those definitions, although you can figure out what they meant.

250 kg is a mass, not a "force".?ÿ They must mean the force (weight) of a 250 kg mass being pulled down by one g gravity.

They must mean "one foot or less per 60 seconds"?ÿ and not the way stated.

Foot-pounds is not a "force", but the energy of the impact.

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 6:14 am
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We use an electric jackhammer and generator. Has worked well so far.

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 6:35 am
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We have a Pionjar, it works great but it spits oil all over the place. It's old; if I was getting something now I'd go electric.

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 12:19 pm
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Posted by: Lee D

We have a Pionjar, it works great but it spits oil all over the place. It's old; if I was getting something now I'd go electric.

My wife says, ...

 
Posted : 14/06/2018 1:00 pm
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Don't screw around.?ÿ Just get the jackhammer driving adaptor from the same place you buy your rods.?ÿ Rent an electric jackhammer and go at it.?ÿ I highly recommend a 3-side scaffold to make you life and back easier.

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Posted : 15/06/2018 3:35 pm
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Posted by: Loyal

Something along these lines seem to be the "hot ticket," although prices vary A LOT ($250 to well over a grand).

http://skidril.com/g20merch.htm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5t28h6bS2wIViV9-Ch2bRwCUEAQYASABEgL1X_D_BwE

Loyal

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I have a Skidril I use on the farm for tee posts.?ÿ Cost $1350.?ÿ You'd need to get the right adapter, maybe have it made special.

 
Posted : 15/06/2018 4:22 pm
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I highly recommend a 3-side scaffold to make you life and back easier.

A pickup tailgate works well, as long as you can drive up to the hole.?ÿ I've used a pair of foldable sawhorses bridged by a piece of plywood for sites we couldn't reach with the truck, but that arrangement is a little sketchy and definitely not OSHA-compliant.

(But neither is the activity in the photo above:?ÿ no hardhats, no vests, a guy wearing sneakers holding onto the business end of the jackhammer.?ÿ Not that I haven't been guilty of all that except the sneakers...)

 
Posted : 15/06/2018 6:11 pm