According to Gary Larsen, this is how Nature says “Do not touch”
I think I found the survey equivalent of Larsen's lower right hand example.
Below is a portion of a 61 lot subdivision platted in 1960:
(there is not other information on the plat about the road R/W curves or cul-de-sac radii. Just that the roads are private and 24' wide)
OMG
Somebody must have found an early version of LSD and went for a trip to think up something like that.
Can you get a copy of that AutoCAD file?
look familiar?
Dude, is that the best you can do? It looks like those lots may have actually been surveyed. I see distances on that map.
We have one that has a distance on maybe 10% of the lines. No bearings. Roads that are much curvier than those. A total of ZERO corners set. Oh, did I mention the division covers more than 250 acres?
I've told plenty of callers they should give the land away to a church because the cost to survey would far exceed the value of the land.
Larry P
So apparently there was a straight edge available, and a tiny circle template, but no curves or drawing compasses of any type.
You have to wonder about the firm's investment in surveying equipment as well.
That's a scary one, Mike, what's the topography like?
Don
Is it built out?
Apparently it is.
A search of Google maps for Juniper Lane, Bend, Oregon reveals an area that looks like the map.
I would think the lanes would be controlled by where the pavement is actually located. The width is stated on the map.
There are fenced lots.
Don, it's flat and treey. Here's an aerial of the same portion shown above:
Larry,
There have only been four surveys of record for lots in this subdivision in the intervening 53 years. Amazingly, surveyors have found original monuments that fit close to record in some cases and in other cases, not so much, as you’d expect.
When local surveyors come across this guy’s work, in their mind’s eye they see:
No Problemo
As long as there are a few pins in and you assume the interior angles are all 90 deg, it looks easy to solve.
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To me that looks like an interesting subdivision to work in. As David Karoly suggested, unless there is some other map floating around of the original layout, the actual location of the streets as paved may well be the best evidence of how they were laid out originally. That plat looks to me to be something that was surveyed and marked after the roads were graded.
If relatively few surveyors have worked in the subdivision, I'd consider that to be "franchise" material if I were interested in doing residential surveys. You're giving up way too quickly on that one, I think.
Looks like it worked!
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> I would think the lanes would be controlled by where the pavement is actually located. The width is stated on the map.
Looking at the plat, don't you think it's most likely that the subdivider had already graded the roads when the subdivision was laid out? Unless there is some reason to think otherwise, roads tend not to move around much after the initial grading. The wiggles and woggles may well have been done to miss trees and as long as the same trees were there, much alteration of the route wouldn't really be feasible anyway.
I agree w Larry, Dave, Perry, and Kent, but mostly Larry in that I've seen much worse.
You've got distances and bearings on the E-W lines and a bearing on the N-S lines (where NORTH is spelled out). There is a N-S bearing on the western bounding road. This one calls for a whole lot of schonstedting and digging. Lots of centerline asphalt shots to define the front curves, too.
A lot of work, but fun and interesting. Enjoy.
Stephen
Private Roads Means Somebody Must Own Them
First step, who pays taxes on them?
If the original owner abandoned the ROW and it does not have a tax number, the reasonable assumption is that all lots extend to a centerline. It appears in most cases the centerline can be defined by extending each sideline an additional 12'. For some lots, 33 & 27 the math does not add up, so split the difference. That is sufficient to describe the lots. It is not neccessary to geometrically define a road right of way line, the 24' width is centered on the physical centerline, as "graphically depicted". At a minimum the constructed line should be within said road, but "right of use" does not require it. It would be prudent to somehow describe a route of ingress/egress to a public road.
The key words here are "more or less".
"Private road?" but where are the utilities?
How is road legally defined in the above jurisdiction?
Paul in PA
That looks like fun.
I'd be on the lookout for a mailbox with "Garfunkel" on it.
I dare anyone to pin cushion the ROW lines after it's surveyed. In that sense it's a great area to work in. No one in their right mind will argue with your conclusion.
Looks like the egg came before the chicken.
Let there be peace on Earth
Time for a bit of collusion between surveyors in that area. One and only one surveyor is allowed to work that subdivision from now 'til they all fall down. Whatever that person decides is "Just the way it is."
Enjoy the music.
