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How many way are there to screw up a survey?

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Williwaw
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My tag line is 'Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me'. There's a ton of truth in that statement. Maybe not malicious, but the end result is the same.

I recently did a design and topo survey for a wireless site that was engineered by another outfit. I sent them over my survey and related data as a CAD file. I get back a CAD file from them with their design that I'm suppose to go layout. So busy I don't have time to look closely at it until I'm nearly ready to head out the door, just so many hours in a day. First thing I notice on looking at their CAD file is that it's been scaled out of real world units into architectural units and it's nearly to the moon in space. Best I can surmise is the drafter had scaled everything to fit his 'paper space'. 'Fine' I'm thinking, just a bit irritated, I'll just scale it back to the real world so I can put their design on the ground. Wait a minute, the drafter didn't scale it evenly. Apparently they couldn't get the drawing to fit on the sheet, so they scaled it again in the northings alone to squeeze it onto their sheet, shifting everything from my survey south 15'. Lovely cartoon they gave me to slap my name on.

Some days I feel like Rodney Dangerfield, I just get no respect.

Rant over. Carry on.
Keep your powder dry and your eyes open.


Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

 
Posted : June 24, 2016 11:08 am
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Willie, that's funny. If it didn't hurt so much!


 
Posted : June 24, 2016 11:16 am
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I just did an FAA Obstruction cert for a new communication tower. My client is actually the owner of the new tower and I did the cert for their tower contractor.
They sent me their "site plan" CAD file which looked vaguely familiar because it was loosely based on a topo of the site I did in 2012. Just for funnies I xref'd my original survey in under theirs (after scaling everything by ,083333) and sure enough, they had actually moved the property lines and "squared" the whole site to be 90å¡ N-S-E-W. It too was a "cartoon".

I sent it off earlier this week and the only thing I heard back was someone wanted me to remove the word "proposed" from the tower location...After we chatted the word "proposed" stayed. :yum:

All in a day's work I guess.


 
Posted : June 24, 2016 11:27 am
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How many ways? At least one more............................ I haven't finished yet with making all the mistakes possible, but I hope I'm getting close.


 
Posted : June 24, 2016 3:14 pm
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...can you turn on all the elevations?
...can you make the text bigger so I can read it?
...can you move the text around...it overlaps!
...the 'text leaders' are confusing...can you remove them?
...I can't figure out which elevation goes with the points...can you color code them?
...your map is too 'busy'...maybe a different scale?
...very funny...I'm not plotting a 'bed sheet'!
...can't you just change the scale AND keep the same size paper?
...very funny...I'm not plotting 1,056 sheets!!!
...very good...I can use THIS...(the ORIGINAL survey)

DDSM:beer::beer::beer:


 
Posted : June 24, 2016 3:36 pm

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Dan B. Robison, post: 378988, member: 34 wrote: ...can you turn on all the elevations?
...can you make the text bigger so I can read it?
...can you move the text around...it overlaps!
...the 'text leaders' are confusing...can you remove them?
...I can't figure out which elevation goes with the points...can you color code them?
...your map is too 'busy'...maybe a different scale?
...very funny...I'm not plotting a 'bed sheet'!
...can't you just change the scale AND keep the same size paper?
...very funny...I'm not plotting 1,056 sheets!!!
...very good...I can use THIS...(the ORIGINAL survey)

DDSM:beer::beer::beer:

Wait... you work for him too???


 
Posted : June 24, 2016 3:40 pm
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Dan B. Robison, post: 378988, member: 34 wrote: ...can you turn on all the elevations?
...can you make the text bigger so I can read it?
...can you move the text around...it overlaps!
...the 'text leaders' are confusing...can you remove them?
...I can't figure out which elevation goes with the points...can you color code them?
...your map is too 'busy'...maybe a different scale?
...very funny...I'm not plotting a 'bed sheet'!
...can't you just change the scale AND keep the same size paper?
...very funny...I'm not plotting 1,056 sheets!!!
...very good...I can use THIS...(the ORIGINAL survey)

DDSM:beer::beer::beer:

This is from last week:

Him: Can you put just the notes on a second sheet in a really large font so we can read them on the screen.
Me. Why don't I just send you the notes in Word and you can print them.
Him: Oh, well, I guess that would work too.


 
Posted : June 25, 2016 10:55 pm
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How many ways are there to screw up a survey? How much time do I have?


 
Posted : June 25, 2016 11:41 pm
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N+1

Where N = the number of way everyone can come up with to screw up a survey.


 
Posted : June 26, 2016 4:37 am
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James Fleming, post: 379112, member: 136 wrote: N+1

Where N = the number of way everyone can come up with to screw up a survey.

Surely it should be 2N+4, otherwise future surveyors will have no real need to stretch their imagination. This way they can spend forever going round the outside of their polygon.


 
Posted : June 27, 2016 7:13 am

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Welcome to the world of cell sites.
I used to get the topo moved to where the design was so my coordinates were blown, but then they want you to stake it out.
Took some effort to make the designers realize it is was a problem.
Fortunately I do not do cell sites any longer


 
Posted : June 27, 2016 9:00 am
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Sounds like a typical architect. We see this all the time when we do site lay outs.


 
Posted : June 27, 2016 9:05 am
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I am fortunate to work with some very good engineers on the cell sites that I do that use my survey as their base map and send me their design back so that all I have to do is to paste to original coordinates and it drops right in place.


 
Posted : June 27, 2016 11:02 am