THIS IS NOT ARKANSAS. IT'S OKLAHOMA
> N/M
Yikes! A parcel in Arkansas that looks at pixel resolution to be the right one, matches the realtor's description and some GIS parcel overlay, and is shown on a record map. You claim an identical parcel with better provenance exists in Oklahoma? Please enlighten me.
THIS IS NOT ARKANSAS. IT'S OKLAHOMA
> > N/M
>
> Yikes! A parcel in Arkansas that looks at pixel resolution to be the right one, matches the realtor's description and some GIS parcel overlay, and is shown on a record map. You claim an identical parcel with better provenance exists in Oklahoma? Please enlighten me.
Mike,
My GIS cartoon is FAKE! Andy has found a better site!
Sorry for any confusion
DDSM
THIS IS NOT ARKANSAS. IT'S OKLAHOMA
> My GIS cartoon is FAKE! Andy has found a better site!
> Sorry for any confusion
Man, I just knew I couldn't trust you surveyors! I pay one of you good money and you tell me my land isn't even in Oklahoma? I'm going to just get the realtor to point out the boundaries since she sold the land and will know exactly where it was at the time of the sale.
[sarcasm]It's okay because it's an anonymous stranger![/sarcasm]
Maybe Cleveland Ohio
Hey, where talking OHIO where GIS departments create surveys. East 34th could end up running north and the sketch could be drawn sideways.
1.8 or 1.92---which is it?
The tract calculates out to 1.92 acres. The Broken Arrow lot says 1.8. Surely the sales agent would under-represent the acreage by that much.
THIS IS NOT ARKANSAS. IT'S OKLAHOMA
> > > N/M
> >
> > Yikes! A parcel in Arkansas that looks at pixel resolution to be the right one, matches the realtor's description and some GIS parcel overlay, and is shown on a record map. You claim an identical parcel with better provenance exists in Oklahoma? Please enlighten me.
>
> Mike,
> My GIS cartoon is FAKE! Andy has found a better site!
> Sorry for any confusion
>
> DDSM
I am stunned. Although I admit I know nothing about Arkansas and Oklahoma. I'm considering retiring my license(s) because of incompetence. It seemed so real. Well done Mike.
How did you find this tract?
> > OK, I have to ask. How did you find this tract? Was is SWAG? Was it fitting the sketch to a location you know about? I'm looking at this like some kid in a Criss Angel audience with amazement. Bravo!
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> Not that difficult my friend. How many E 34th streets are there in Arkansas? Much more interesting is to Google Earth it.
>
The OP never said he was is AK.
I'd almost believe Andy, except the North and South boundary lengths are not per the sketch. North line is 40 foot different. It is very close, but not close enough. We need more info from the OP IMHO.
Don't knock the GIS folk, they are trying the best they can with what they got. I'm enrolled at Texas A&M for GIS and I'm seeing the other side of the world from different eyes, so to speak. Just got to say GiGO(Garbage In/Garbage Out).
How did you find this tract?
Something very wrong going on here. Your plat looks good if you steal 23 feet out of Lot 27 and steal 10 feet out of Lots 10 and 9, then add the 25 foot extra out of just Lot 10.
The 50' jog instead of 60' jog caught my eye.
I love the name of the dead end street: DUE EAST
What kind of name is that for a street?
Still want to know how it shrunk from 1.92 to 1.8 acres.
YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE
AK is Alaska
AR is Arkansas
AZ is Arizona
You know how your teeth hurt when you hear someone dragging their fingernails across a chalkboard?
Hi Steven,
A lot of the responses here have been pretty harsh, but I will do my best to explain. It's impossible to tell you how to go to one point and say "this is where your property begins" without a proper survey. That's what the survey is all about. We gather as much evidence as possible from your property and the surrounding properties, then weigh that evidence against the record information to determine where your property lines are. As you can see, the sketch you posted has dimensions that are significantly different from the plat posted by Andy Nold. More often that not, the field evidence will differ from the recorded data. Sometimes by very little, sometimes by a lot. There are specific procedures in place for handling this. It involves the types of monuments found, how those monuments check, senior rights, legal precedents, and the surveyor's professional opinion.
As far as finding someone trustworthy, most surveyors are. If that's not good enough, ask them for references. Previous clients are probably the best. Government officials usually can't recommend a surveyor, but they can give you names of surveyors who have presented them with good work. Most state licensing boards give you the ability to look up a surveyor's name online to see that they are licensed and whether or not there have been complaints filed against them.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to verify a professional's qualifications. A true professional will be happy to help you do so. Some people find it offensive to not be trusted, including me sometimes, but most of my clients do trust me after I've worked with them for a while. I think your experience will be the same. Good luck!
YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE
> AK is Alaska
> AR is Arkansas
> AZ is Arizona
>
> You know how your teeth hurt when you hear someone dragging their fingernails across a chalkboard?
Unless you are Infact in AR , then your tooth hurt. :'(
For Roadie
Once upon a time, there were these counterfeiters, who operated out of Texas. They had a pretty sophisticated operation. They would make up a bunch of fake money, box it up, and back up to a loading chute, and fill their trunk, and go on a spending spree. Well, one day, they made up a huge batch of $ 18.00 bills. They discovered it while way off up in Wisconsin. They frantically tore through several boxes, and found it all was $18.00. So, they drove home, to Texas. On their way through Arkansas, they had run all out of normal $ 20.00 bills. So, they pulled into this little Arkansas town, with a gas station. "Hey, Mr. ya got change for an $ 18.00 bill?" He yelled back, "Sho nuff! ya want it in threes's, Sixes or Nines?"
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I guess. The sketch was rudimentary and the question was very simple: Is there a way to find a boundary without hiring someone? I recall being told that surveying is the second oldest profession and we do not seem to have the attention of the whole public. I guess once the secrets of trigonometry became common knowledge (did I need sarcasm there?), many people figured they could do it on their own.
I have a client who owns a building with a long list of zoning headaches. He was before the board so often that he went to law school and started representing himself.
The moral: yes you can figure out the limits of the property yourself. You might not be able to complete your education before the closing.
I could do my own plumbing and have leaky pipes. I could do my own electric and get free shock therapy. I could prepare my own taxes and get audited. I could represent myself in court and have a fool for a client. I could perform my own dentistry, doctor exams and surgeries. That might be painful.
"Is there a way to find a boundary without hiring someone?"
That wasn't the question at all.
> "Is there a way to find a boundary without hiring someone?"
>
> That wasn't the question at all.
No, this was:
> My question is how do I know the edge of the property? I want to determine where the furthest left piece of my land starts.
Can you tell us the difference between edge of the property and boundary?
If you knew that the answer was "hire someone", why did you post here?
Where does that say someone won't be hired?
> Where does that say someone won't be hired?
This was pretty close:
> Before I get buried in posts telling me to hire a person to stake it. I most likely will end up doing that. But here is my problem. I don't trust people.
Why don't you trust "people"?
When you see it...
> > .. a 1.8 acre tract in southeast Broken Arrow
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> [sarcasm]Maybe its time those dam poachin okies get a taste of their own medicine. I can hear the rubber burnin up 35 [/sarcasm]
>
That's funny
Thanks for the laugh.
> Where does that say someone won't be hired?
Steven, you kind of poisoned the well by telling us how you don't trust anybody and then asking us for an opinion. Which, if we take you at your word, you don't trust. That's not a great way to open a relationship.
You did say that "I most likely will end up doing that", but apparently only after you had determined for yourself where the "edge" was. We can only assume, given your distrust of people, that if the opinion of the Professional Surveyor you hire doesn't exactly match your own - no matter how well or poorly founded either may be - you are going to disregard the professionals opinion and go with your own. Because you don't trust people. Not even highly qualified professionals. And if it does happen to match your own you are going to wonder why you spent all this money to learn something you already knew. It just seems like a no win either way.
I took time out of my workday earlier to offer my honest advise earlier and so did several others. You have not acknowledged any of those posts and have instead engaged in bickering with certain negative posters. Taken together, I can only assume that you would be a very difficult client to work with.
All that said, it is a good idea to educate yourself so you can make good decisions and understand the full import and ramifications of the professional advise you hire.
That's my opinion. As I grow older I have noticed that the one common element in all my dysfunctional relationships is me. How's by you?
