Trick = hammer.
Tennessee Walker Mule
Just ask the surveyor to "put the pipe in the puka and surround it with concrete". I am sure he will be glad to comply with your request. Remember, sometimes surveyors charge extra if you "Help Them". 😀
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> Aloha, Perry: That's pretty deeply driven rebar!
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> We do fairly well with concrete, since we do most of our minor concrete work in house. So I don't think that's an issue. I'd like to have the concrete monument flush with the finish grade. We have several tractors with loader, backhoe and a skid steer that we us for maintenance. My concern is one us going to ran over it sometime if it is 12" above grade. s
If you are setting property corners... Why would you be driving over them? (I try to stay of my neighbors land w/ heavy equipment.)
Leaving rebars sticking up is pretty much standard practice around here unless you are talking city lots. Even the DOT leaves their monuments up a few inches. If we drive them flush, they are difficult to find in a few years as the forest duff quickly covers them up.
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> When you drive a pipe what is your tolerance? Or what is the acceptable tolerance for accuracy. When I was practicing with my total station I found pipes are difficult to maintain accuracy as you pound it in the ground. I can do pretty precisely with wood hubs combined with a tack. When I do the stakeout routine after driving the pipe to verify, I am alway off by 0.02 to 0.03 or so. Of course I am not doing First Order survey...:-) Is there any trick to set the pipe or rebar accurately once you determine the exact location?
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Personally, I think people are deluding themselves if they think that can set #5 bars within 0.01'. I've seen guys bend them after they are driven to be right on the money, but they will spin if they get bumped (we call those "spinners".)
Going cheap on monuments is foolish...
I remember setting section corners (out in the woods):
36" x 3/4" rebar (with cap) with the top 12" below grade
3 or 4 inches of dirt on top
then at the surface a big chunk of concrete (one 90lb sack of readymix) with a brass disk
(bearing trees and corner record too)
at the time it seemed like over kill but I am sure they are still findable more than 40 years later without getting a surveyor back out on site
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> > When you drive a pipe what is your tolerance? Or what is the acceptable tolerance for accuracy. When I was practicing with my total station I found pipes are difficult to maintain accuracy as you pound it in the ground. I can do pretty precisely with wood hubs combined with a tack. When I do the stakeout routine after driving the pipe to verify, I am alway off by 0.02 to 0.03 or so. Of course I am not doing First Order survey...:-) Is there any trick to set the pipe or rebar accurately once you determine the exact location?
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> Personally, I think people are deluding themselves if they think that can set #5 bars within 0.01'. I've seen guys bend them after they are driven to be right on the money, but they will spin if they get bumped (we call those "spinners".)
Aloha, Perry: Thanks! That made me feel comfortable. "Spinners" new word added to my survey dictionary!
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> If you are setting property corners... Why would you be driving over them? (I try to stay of my neighbors land w/ heavy equipment.)
Aloha, Perry: We have seven parcels that are not perfectly square or rectangular sharing more one boundary lines. That places many of the monument vulnerable within the property. The church owns all the parcels. They were purchased in pieces over the past 50 years.
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Tennessee Walker Mule
>"put the pipe in the puka and surround it with concrete".
Aloha: Wow! Nice to see some use the word "puka" here! :party:
Tennessee Walker Mule
You are one of the best non-surveyors on this forum. You have asked questions, been respectful, listened to advice, hired someone when you knew you needed help, asked more questions and have been interesting to talk to. Much unlike some of the other "civilians" who have asked questions lately. I look forward to hearing more about the results of your survey.
Tennessee Walker Mule
> ... asked questions, been respectful, listened to advice, hired someone when you knew you needed help, asked more questions and have been interesting to talk to.
Hmmm....I don't know if he can ever become a real surveyor with an attitude like that...;-)
> Trick = hammer.
:good: Aloha, Jim: I like the answer...
Tennessee Walker Mule
> You are one of the best non-surveyors on this forum. You have asked questions, been respectful, listened to advice, hired someone when you knew you needed help, asked more questions and have been interesting to talk to. Much unlike some of the other "civilians" who have asked questions lately. I look forward to hearing more about the results of your survey.
Aloha, Andy: Thank you for your kind words. All of you been very kind and generous to me since I introduced myself to this forum. IMHO, best way to reciprocate to that kindness and generosity is to be respectful and follow the advice given. I was thought from early on "don't ask for advice unless you are going to follow it." 🙂 So try hard to apply what I've learned here.
Aloha!
Tennessee Walker Mule
> > ... asked questions, been respectful, listened to advice, hired someone when you knew you needed help, asked more questions and have been interesting to talk to.
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> Hmmm....I don't know if he can ever become a real surveyor with an attitude like that...;-)
Remember Tom, :angel: monk first... surveyor only after that :totalstation: 😀 😀
Tennessee Walker Mule
it is kind of ironic because since you are the "swami'... we should be asking you the questions.. 😉
metaphysical surveying could become a new practice for some of us..:-D
"If he knows before hand that you want to place the concrete, it might be better to place the concrete, and then set the monument in the concrete."
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Metaphysical surveying of the day
> it is kind of ironic because since you are the "swami'... we should be asking you the questions.. 😉
> metaphysical surveying could become a new practice for some of us..:-D
Aloha, Robert: It will be my pleasure to answer any question that anyone might have--a little that I could do in return for all the kindness received. But there is a risk of Wendell banning me 😀
Survey is a very metaphysical already as it is...One just need to be aware of the discipline, concentration and focus needed and utilized. Then repurpose the ability of the trained mind in all other aspect of life. There you go...The Metaphysical Survey of the Day! :angel:
> "If he knows before hand that you want to place the concrete, it might be better to place the concrete, and then set the monument in the concrete."
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Aloha, Jim: Thank you for highlighting this point again. :good:
Universal Truths in measurement
> Survey is a very metaphysical already as it is...One just need to be aware of the discipline, concentration and focus needed and utilized. Then repurpose the ability of the trained mind in all other aspect of life. There you go...The Metaphysical Survey of the Day! :angel:
You might find This Article By Dr, Buckner interesting.
I hope you have a beautiful day....:-D
Dougie
Universal Truths in measurement
> > Survey is a very metaphysical already as it is...One just need to be aware of the discipline, concentration and focus needed and utilized. Then repurpose the ability of the trained mind in all other aspect of life. There you go...The Metaphysical Survey of the Day! :angel:
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> You might find This Article By Dr, Buckner interesting.
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> Dougie
Aloha, Dougie:
Thank you for the link to Dr. Buckner's article. It is very eloquently written. I really enjoy reading it! He drew the parallels between Surveying and Life so nicely!
All is well in paradise, wish the same to you too:-)
Tennessee Walker Mule
Ah, yes!! Lived in Honolulu for three years while I was in the Army. This was WAY back in the late 60's, early 70's. Still miss the ads on Lippy's Lanai Theater that Lippy Espensa did. They were classics!! Plan to return one day to see what all has changed.
