Sent the crew out to survey a farm tract (platted by the U.S. government) prior to doing research on easements. The crew found the NE, NW, & SW corner as well as a corner to the East of the SE corner and had them labeled as 1" (I.D.) Iron Pipes. I ended up finding a gas line easement that called back to the NE and NW corner but had them called as gin gears. I decided to go take a look at the corners and they are definitely not pipes and have grooves cut down the side of them. Today I was provided a copy of an earlier survey of the tract that calls for axles at the NE, NW & SW corner. Pretty sure that we've found what the prior surveys call for but they do not look like axles and I've never heard of or seen a gin gear before. A google search for gin gear images shows plenty of cotton gin spindles and what I am sure are some fine beverages but nothing like what we found. Curious to know if anyone here has found a gin gear before.
how about a good photo?
There is no way anyone would confuse that with a 1" i.d. pipe or an axle.
Well that, of course, is a cotton gin spike. Contrary to the opinion of the Divine Bovine, I can see how some uneducated city slicker could think it was an axle. I've seen crazier things.?ÿ?ÿ
You mean in the US you are allowed to use anything as corner markers? That's convenient although it would create the scenario down the line that anything found near a supposed corner's location can then be attributed as the?ÿ corner that was previously established. Gear, axle, lightning rod, fence rebar, the list goes on and on.
Well that, of course, is a cotton gin spike..?ÿ?ÿ
Those look like excellent traverse points, but surely they can't be long enough to be an approved monument in soil in any state?
They look just like an axle with gear, but are too small diameter to have come from even a Model T.
More than you probably want to know about cotton spindles. Not sure if they are used in the cotton gin, but they are what pulls the cotton boll off the planr when harvesting with a cotton picker.?ÿ
https://www.cottoninc.com/harvest-system-videos/maintenance-of-spindles-and-spindle-bushings/
@epoch-date that's a cotton gin spindle and these looked nothing like that. These were flat on top with a 1" diameter and had grooves cut down the sides that you couldn't tell were there until you cleaned them up a bit.
Yes, that is what happens.?ÿ If it's part of a platted survey, then these are called out.?ÿ If not, then finding an axle, pipe, rebar, gun barrel, fieldstone, fence post, blazed or marked tree, stone pile, etc, that somewhat fits with everyone's deed calls, is what you're probably going to hold as the corner.
@jt50 the fun part of this survey is that the U.S. Government surveyed it to help with rural farming communities. There are 81 tracts in this platted subdivision with the smaller tracts being 160 acres and the larger ones being 220 acres. There is no mention of what monumentation the surveyor set originally.
Based on the thread title was hoping for a discussion about vermouth and olives.?ÿ
I am, to say the least, disappointed in all of you.?ÿ?ÿ
@turnercyrilh
That sounds like a splined shaft.?ÿ Lot of uses for those including holding sheaves for belt pulley use.?ÿ As the grooves become deeper and fewer they can be used for more powerful needs.
@james-fleming well my favorite is Hendrick's if that helps any.
Now you need to explain to them the difference between a cotton picker and a cotton stripper! ?????ÿ
@holy-cow I called a local cotton gin parts manufacturer and when I described what we found to him that was his exact conclusion.
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Here is what you are looking for:
EBay, box of 40 cotton spindles.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/262310440237
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Historically, many things have been used. Now many states have tighter specs.
I think in some areas concrete posts are commonly used.
In my state most set in the last hundred years are a pipe, rebar, or similar iron. Recent ones tend to be 30 inches (76 cm) long. So the cotton picker spindle would not be used for a property corner. They are required to be findable with a magnetic or electronic means.
In the last 30 or so years they have been required to be identified with the surveyor's license number, most often provided by adding an embossed plastic cap. The caps don't all survive in the long term, but that's a lot better than nothing. Some states use a tag, which would survive weather and animals better, but could fall off.