The freakin' BLM would file corner records..
Ive got a convoluted corner situation going on out west. 1984 Blm AC. there is dependant retrace plat (1991) showthe 1/4 being on a straight line but at odd distances. NOT SP.
I had microfiche of the notes but nothing on it regarding the 1984/-1991 retracement. So i called and ordered the entire twnship on disc and specifically inquired about the 1991 data. Disc arrives some data, but not my corner. Another phone call on monday is scheduled.
The original cor was a 4" squarex3' long tam. Post with 2 bts. I think i have one. Very suspicious stump with blazed rotted out. Puts the corner abour 26' east and 23' south of the AC.
Cant post pics from this droid. More info later. T26N R33W PMM.
Those poor Colonialists on here have already given up trying to understand your shorthand. They don't realize how lucky they are.
AC=aluminum cap?
tam. post=tamarack post?
Yes and yes. On the droid while youngest file is at voice lessons.
1/4 cor common to S11 and S14.
So, an east-west line. Let’s disregard the curve for now 🙂 I assume the original was the old ”east on a random, 40 ch. set a temporary, etc.” story, but you’re saying that for some reason the more recent BLM guys did not SP the 1/4 and gave no reason, or at least none that you can find.
Maybe a strong terrain call on the line that they felt compelled to hold? They didn't find your tree, probably.
I’m guessing.
I don’t know.
Don
I can hear Kent now
Just get out your PLSS Cookbook and set it. Grin.
Andy
> Those poor Colonialists on here have already given up trying to understand your shorthand. They don't realize how lucky they are.
I'll take a M&B desc. and a glass of Oban any day over you PLSS guys who say that a straight east west line is actually a curve... 😀
I can hear Kent now
> Just get out your PLSS Cookbook and set it. Grin.
No, I've learned from reading this message board that the proper PLSS solution depends upon the location of the nearest fence. I have no idea why Rankin Roedel is bothering to try to find original evidence. That is just a metes and bounds state thing. :>
> Those poor Colonialists on here have already given up trying to understand your shorthand. They don't realize how lucky they are.
No, I am very aware of how fortunate I am to have never seen a section corner in my life or buy the Manual. 😉
I can hear Kent now
OH HAR HAR HAR!
you can't disregard the curve!!!!!!
how do I know where to set up over the 4x4 concrete monument unless I calc the curve?
I can hear Kent now
Kent, let's not forget that an assumed distance minus one foot from a line of power poles will also work in a pinch.
> Those poor Colonialists on here have already given up trying to understand your shorthand. They don't realize how lucky they are.
Soon as I see the word Section, my eyes glaze over.
Or: I wish the Montana BLM would get their documents scanned and online like other states have done. And done years ago!
Montana plats are on line at glorecords.blm.gov. Nothing you describe as the dates of surveys matches for that township.
Notes take a lot longer to get scanned and resources are limited.
If there is a 1991 plat (not stamped preliminary) then there are notes, you should probably just specically ask for them. It is all in the public record. Perhaps the survey was approved after the microfiche project was finished and so not included in what you already had.
It would be nice to see the plat you are looking at though, so what is the correct Tp and Rg.?
Or am I just confused.
- jlw
Jerry,
Thanks for posting the ephemeris data on your website.
I haven't been able to find Polaris during the daytime, though. I'm still trying. Nearly perfect focus is one of the issues I am working on. I have my transit (20x) focused from last night so maybe I'll try it today. I don't know exactly where infinity is on my Topcon total station (30x) focus ring yet.
For the benefit of others; Polaris is fairly simple to observe and calculate and it is always to the north of you, see Jerry's paper:
http://www.cadastral.com/cad-polr.htm
-Dave
I've tried setting up my 30x Topcon on Polaris in the morning and watching until it isn't visible. I could still see it for almost an hour after local sunrise, but I could never have found it in the later part of that time.
You are right, focus is the most critical adjustment if the sky isn't dark. If you don't have position within a few minutes of elevation and azimuth and don't have precise focus, you probably won't find it much before sundown or after sunrise.
I also tried the black paper tube to cut down on stray light, and couldn't see much improvement.
I'm at what was the north edge of a small city, but there is a lot more development around me than when we moved in. I still think the city lights aren't as much a problem as atmospheric diffusion of sunlight. I think you have to either have very dry air or be at sufficient elevation in order to see it in daylight.
I can hear Kent now
LOL! Preferably some poles that were placed a century after the original surveys, too!
Know your state laws! Remember case law is just the legal system's admission that it cannot read a deed!
Montana plats are on line at glorecords.blm.gov. Nothing you describe as the dates of surveys matches for that township.
I would say that some of the plats are online. It's been a year since I ran into this: in one township the original survey plat was online but the 1970 era resurvey was not.
As far as notes; some were online for a while but now I can't find even them anymore and all the townships I've looked at recently are blank for notes.
You just have to call the nice people at the BLM office and they will send everything you need. Which I'm sure Rankin will do Monday. I think as the energy business picks up in Montana the BLM office will want to get more info online and maybe have a bit more resources to do it.