Friday Pincushion

Texas huh, well there is this one guy............

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Vise grips!!!!

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I like my Irwins.

Posted by: Andy Nold

We're in the middle of the bleeding desert. The adjoining corners are at least a mile away. The 1" IP has probably been there since the 1950s when Joseph Luchini or Fred Armstrong staked a well. I tied the pipe in 2013. Someone in the intervening time has decided that they needed to set a new 5/8" reinforcing bar 0.68 feet away. Unfortunately the cap was never added or it has succumbed to the harsh environment, so we won't find out who is getting this week's pinhead award.

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I've done a lot of bleeding out there and found plenty of absurd pincushions. I wonder what possessed someone to do that? The math??ÿ

It's almost every corner in the blocks I was working in.?ÿ

one corner, one monument, plus accessories, cleaning up other peoples messes is very frustrating.

This section was created by protraction and the nearest original monument that was set was about 21 miles away. A special surveyor was brought in to check the first surveyor and densify the monuments and he got within 3 miles with a monument. Since then, the interior section corners have been set by various surveyors of varying skill level. Most of these sections were either patented on the original pencil whipped field notes or are not patented. So, since this is not an original monument and there is no sign of occupation in the vicinity, one could set a new corner based off the controlling corners on the block lines, but that position would be 55 feet to the southeast, not 0.68'. I will not be setting a 3rd monument to add to the silliness.

Andy,

An enterprising surveyor might consider purchasing a jar of small iron filings and getting them really rusty.?ÿ Coupled with a pair of vise grips that Mighty Moe suggested one could leave a rusty "spot" approx. 0.7 ft. from the true corner!?ÿ ?ÿ ??ÿ

This is the southeast section corner and I am staking off the west half of the section.?ÿ The southwest corner of the section is missing, so I will set that and the north and south quarter section monuments.?ÿ I'm going to leave that pincushion alone.

Too bad you didn't find a recorded survey to explain who did it and their reasoning.

Just as an aside, check out the start of a paper pincushion. Hundredth or two...

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Posted by: Zapper

Just as an aside, check out the start of a paper pincushion. Hundredth or two...

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SMH.....why?!?!

I do like "theoretical position"...sounds all "sciencey" like something?ÿ?ÿNeil deGrasse Tyson would say to impress people with his vast knowledge.?ÿ

The definition of theoretical fits this:?ÿconcerned with or involving the theory of a subject or area of study rather than its practical application.

Must have been set by a Train Driver or at least a Train Driver want to be

Posted by: Gene Kooper

Andy,

An enterprising surveyor might consider purchasing a jar of small iron filings and getting them really rusty.?ÿ Coupled with a pair of vise grips that Mighty Moe suggested one could leave a rusty "spot" approx. 0.7 ft. from the true corner!?ÿ ?ÿ ??ÿ

Hmmmm go to the local auto shop, that does brakes. They often have large piles of filings, beside the disk and drum resurfacing machine.

Also, if you carried vice grips, you could "Recycle" them mons, and save a few bucks!

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"Intolerance" ~ "Intolerable"

The act of finding monuments that when measured between fall within the acceptable tolerance of error and then reporting their locations by assigning a mathematical correction of theoretical means.

"Totally Absurd"

I get a little jumpy when a surveyor suggests the solution for a pincushioned corner is to remove those monuments which he/she does not agree with and, one would assume, report only one found monument at the corner.?ÿ If any person does so it's a misdemeanor in most States, and if that person is licensed it's possible he/she could face sanctions.?ÿ The "there's no record of who set monument X, therefore I'll remove it", is not how the statutes read; all monuments, of record or not, are to be protected.?ÿ In fact, I've held a monument not of record as?ÿ the corner's true location many times, after consideration of all of the evidence.

I've never pulled a pincushion, and handle the situation in the monument notes.?ÿ In this example, it would read?ÿ "Fd. 1" IP projecting 2", no record, accepted as XXXXXX; from which a?ÿ 5/8" rebar projecting 1" bears N38?øW 0.68', no record, not accepted".?ÿ I've even done something like this a few times:?ÿ "Fd. 1" IP buried 3', no record, accepted as XXXXXX, from which a 5/8" rebar projecting 2" bears N38?ø45'W 6.51', tagged LS 12345 per ROS 547,?ÿ not accepted".?ÿ After contacting LS 12345 (if not deceased) for a chat of course, which usually ends abruptly if the older 1"IP is plainly visible,?ÿ but if obscured sometimes results in a nice compliment for a job well done ending in "Call my monument not accepted on your map, I goofed."

But my ears are open; those of you that pull pincushion monuments you don't like, what is your reasoning and do you report doing so on your?ÿ recorded [filed] map?

...If any person does so it's a misdemeanor in most States, and if that person is licensed it's possible he/she could face sanctions.?ÿ ....... do you report doing so on your?ÿ recorded [filed] map?

Your state issued license to survey gives you the power, indeed the responsibilty, to clean up these messes. So, as a licensed surveyor, I do it. I sometimes pull up the pincushion.?ÿ I don't often have to but I have. And I detail everything I found, set, and did in the Record of Survey. If I wasn't going to file an R.O.S. I would leave things as they are.?ÿ Because messing with it would trigger the requirement to file an R.O.S.

In a non-recording state such as Oklahoma I probably wouldn't. There were cases there where I found pin-cushioned section corners. My CCRs for those show ties between them and calls one a reference point.?ÿ?ÿ

Not nearly enough flo pink paint all over everything.

I don't pull extraneous junk out of the ground (must be lucky, rarely see pincushions around here) but, playing the part of?ÿthe Advocatus Diaboli:

If a corner is, by definition, a bend or terminus in a boundary line; and a monument is, by definition, a physical or natural object that occupies the position of a corner,?ÿthen there can only be one monument at each corner location.?ÿ So just be sure to pull the one (or two, or three) that aren't monuments. Q.E.D.?ÿ?ÿ

Monuments have a presumption of being correct. However, if there are more than one for a corner then one is wrong or they both are. It?ÿisn't fun or easy but a corner should be left with one monument (the correct one). Usually it entails contacting other surveyors.

Leaving more than one monument for a corner is confusing for landowners, landowners aren't surveyors, they aren't going to research plats, deeds and such to figure it out, they don't have that expertise. We don't survey for other surveyors.

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