This is a pleasant surprise. It was Walker's traverse point set near the 1/16 Cor set by Hanby (sic-should be Hamby) on the map below. We previoulsy found the 1-1/4" I.P. P.O.B., the 3/4" I.P. Edmonds S.E. Corner, the 3/4" I.P. (east of the 1/16 cor), and the the 2" I.P. NW of the 3/4" I.P. Unfortunately the 3/4" I.P. south of the 164.16' distance is lying on the ground out there, the victim of a utility pole crew. Walker traverse from the P.O.B. north to the 3/4" I.P. then the traversed from the P.O.B. east to the black dot at the fence corner (it's in a huge pile of blackberry bushes), the northwest through the I.P.s on the take line to the pipe that was knocked out. I have adjusted his traverse in StarNet then fit it to selected common points. First I found the 1/16 corner which fit very well to my estimate of its position (except it is bent), then I found another pipe in Walker's notes but not on the map below, then I almost forgot to look for the P-K but I went over there. It looks pretty cut up, but Dan hit the spot with the claw of the hammer, tink, then carefully started cleaning the dirt of the rock and much to our surprise there is the P-K, still there. So now I have Walker's traverse point which I staked out within about 0.05'.
We found #18 and both pipes tied from it. The pipe "on the rail fence line" is flush and undisturbed. The P-K nail is undisturbed.
The instrument is set up over the P-K nail. The tripod/target is over the undisturbed pipe. The other pipe (bent) is in the background:
Here is the found P-K nail set in a rock:
Is there rock under that nail head, or just dirt?
Jim Frame, post: 418405, member: 10 wrote: Is there rock under that nail head, or just dirt?
Yes, it is set in a rock.
Dave Karoly, post: 418399, member: 94 wrote: This is a pleasant surprise. It was Walker's traverse point set near the 1/16 Cor set by Hanby (sic-should be Hamby) on the map below. We previoulsy found the 1-1/4" I.P. P.O.B., the 3/4" I.P. Edmonds S.E. Corner, the 3/4" I.P. (east of the 1/16 cor), and the the 2" I.P. NW of the 3/4" I.P. Unfortunately the 3/4" I.P. south of the 164.16' distance is lying on the ground out there, the victim of a utility pole crew. Walker traverse from the P.O.B. north to the 3/4" I.P. then the traversed from the P.O.B. east to the black dot at the fence corner (it's in a huge pile of blackberry bushes), the northwest through the I.P.s on the take line to the pipe that was knocked out. I have adjusted his traverse in StarNet then fit it to selected common points. First I found the 1/16 corner which fit very well to my estimate of its position (except it is bent), then I found another pipe in Walker's notes but not on the map below, then I almost forgot to look for the P-K but I went over there. It looks pretty cut up, but Dan hit the spot with the claw of the hammer, tink, then carefully started cleaning the dirt of the rock and much to our surprise there is the P-K, still there. So now I have Walker's traverse point which I staked out within about 0.05'.
We found #18 and both pipes tied from it. The pipe "on the rail fence line" is flush and undisturbed. The P-K nail is undisturbed.
The instrument is set up over the P-K nail. The tripod/target is over the undisturbed pipe. The other pipe (bent) is in the background:
Here is the found P-K nail set in a rock:
Dave, would that be John Hamby from Oroville, CA.?
Sexy stuff.
Mike Lacey, post: 418430, member: 303 wrote: Dave, would that be John Hamby from Oroville, CA.?
Yes.
56 Maps 66 (1976) says:
John W. Hamby LS2843
Licensed Land Surveyor
Paradise California
I am going to reset Hamby's pipe (not literally, it'll be a rebar/cap), I'm confident I can get it within about 2 tenths of where it was based on Walker's traverse. Walker says the pipe was set by LS2843 in the field notes but not on the map. Presumably he talked to Hamby about the pipes out there. The pipes on the north aren't tagged. Hamby did tag a couple of pipes on our south boundary.
Dave, I have found that many of the brass tags are laying near the base of the pipe covered in leaves.
Frost must heave them out after the wooden plug rots away. A regular hobby metal detector will find them easily if you rake that material out away from the pipe.
I recently followed Hamby on a project in Paradise, CA, and it was kind of an odd situation. My task was to determine the location of a tree with respect to the ROW line of Maxwell Drive. (The tree had fallen and damaged a building; the stump remained.)
The street centerline was nominally the line between two government lots per a 1946 residential subdivision map. Sometime prior to August 1973, Hamby had monumented a parcel abutting Maxwell Drive, apparently without benefit of filed map. In August of 1973 another surveyor came along, didn't like what he found, and resubdivided the entire section, calling Hamby's pipes off by as much as 3-1/2 feet. In October of '73 Hamby filed a Parcel Map subdividing an adjacent parcel and citing his own pipes as well as some others of unknown origin, all disagreeing with the August map. The County Surveyor placed a note on Hamby's map, observing that "discrepancies exist between [August '73 map] and [this map] relative to the location of Maxwell Drive." In 1977 another Parcel Map is filed on yet another adjacent parcel; this time it's signed by Gordon L. Shields, but the title block says "by John W. Hamby, LS 2843." It also holds the Hamby pipes.
I found some of Hamby's pipes and an assortment of other monuments. The fit wasn't spectacular, but it wasn't awful, and I ended up holding to Hamby's location of Maxwell Drive. The other guy's section breakdown might be great, but the neighborhood was well-established by the time he decided to rework everything. However, I was comforted by the fact that even if the latter's survey were to prevail in a lawsuit, the tree would still be on the same side of the ROW line. Not by much, but close is close enough in this case.
Cool! I'm from Chico CA
Huh. We have too much salt. About 10 to 15 years and we lose the heads.
Jim Frame, post: 418488, member: 10 wrote: I recently followed Hamby on a project in Paradise, CA, and it was kind of an odd situation. My task was to determine the location of a tree with respect to the ROW line of Maxwell Drive. (The tree had fallen and damaged a building; the stump remained.)
The street centerline was nominally the line between two government lots per a 1946 residential subdivision map. Sometime prior to August 1973, Hamby had monumented a parcel abutting Maxwell Drive, apparently without benefit of filed map. In August of 1973 another surveyor came along, didn't like what he found, and resubdivided the entire section, calling Hamby's pipes off by as much as 3-1/2 feet. In October of '73 Hamby filed a Parcel Map subdividing an adjacent parcel and citing his own pipes as well as some others of unknown origin, all disagreeing with the August map. The County Surveyor placed a note on Hamby's map, observing that "discrepancies exist between [August '73 map] and [this map] relative to the location of Maxwell Drive." In 1977 another Parcel Map is filed on yet another adjacent parcel; this time it's signed by Gordon L. Shields, but the title block says "by John W. Hamby, LS 2843." It also holds the Hamby pipes.
I found some of Hamby's pipes and an assortment of other monuments. The fit wasn't spectacular, but it wasn't awful, and I ended up holding to Hamby's location of Maxwell Drive. The other guy's section breakdown might be great, but the neighborhood was well-established by the time he decided to rework everything. However, I was comforted by the fact that even if the latter's survey were to prevail in a lawsuit, the tree would still be on the same side of the ROW line. Not by much, but close is close enough in this case.
It's common from that era, they would Survey a lot more than they would show on the subdivision map. At least Hamby set pipes. I think if they surveyed the entire section they didn't want to make the data public record.
That's really cool! Compensates for those monuments that were set a few months ago that are now nowhere to be found...
The last time I saw notes that pretty was in college, and they weren't mine. Was that a gubmint crew, by any chance?
I really love finding old traverse nails... Something about them, authenticates my other work...
