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rundatline
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1. Map Format
a. Plan and elevation measurements in feet to 0.01ƒ?? precision.
b. Set scale to fit 24ƒ? x 36ƒ? sheet with ?«ƒ? borders.
c. Include magnetic north; vicinity map; legend of symbols.
d. Include
classification of survey AA / A / B / C and ratio of precision.
e. Include temporary benchmark location for maps with topography.
f. Submit map in both .DWG and .PDF format

FYI, this is for residential construction planning purposes.


 
Posted : May 1, 2020 1:03 pm
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Posted by: @rundatline

a. Plan and elevation measurements in feet to 0.01ƒ?? precision.

It doesn't say 0.01 accuracy.


 
Posted : May 1, 2020 2:02 pm
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That's it???????

Pretty lax, considering some I've seen. But then, I've never seen an RFP for residential construction before.?ÿ ?????ÿ


 
Posted : May 1, 2020 2:25 pm
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Providing a .dwg file comes at a price of its own and above the chsrgr fpr hard copies and .pdf files of certified scans are more valuable than hard copies.

To Me It Is COMPARED To A Song Writer Selling A Song AND Giving Up All THe Rights AND future PROFITS.

Those proDucts Can Be used over and over and turn up from the grave.


 
Posted : May 1, 2020 3:13 pm
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all wells will be surveyed to .01' vertically, .10' horizontally, these are monitoring wells spread over 50,000 Acres. LOL


 
Posted : May 1, 2020 3:17 pm

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Serious question--how do people here respond to these??ÿ Say it's impossible and not bid, bid "industry rates" and in your disclaimer state you will meet only things you want at the level you want, or bid it as though you were actually going to attempt to meet the full spec??ÿ I'm interested in what the most common response is.


 
Posted : May 5, 2020 9:01 pm
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@mightymoe

Typically monitoring wells are within a small area  and the 0.01' is needed as the water gradient can be quite small.

Paul in PA


 
Posted : May 6, 2020 6:30 am
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@paul-in-pa

Not the ones I do, I've had a few small jobs looking at the aquifer around gas stations or busy urban areas. Then you can get the .01' in the cluster around a building, not really to the next gas station a mile away. No one ever wanted to pay for that either.

But, out here in the big country it's monitoring vast areas, coal mines, coal bed gas, oil and gas fields. One old hydrologist I work with would get a kick out of those specs when they came through. His advice was to make them all X.X0'. Round to the nearest tenth. Meaningless but what the heck. There is no way to survey to a .01' elevation accuracy for that type of job.


 
Posted : May 6, 2020 7:01 am
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@jaccen I walk away. Can't be bothered with dumb specs and the clueless people who put them together. My favorite, from last year, was a survey on a corner lot for a new coffee shop. Eighteen pages of specs, including all curb cuts within (I think it was a quarter mile). The almost client told me to think of the big picture of all the projects coming up and all the work I'd be missing out on if I passed. I saw it more of all the aggravation I'd wouldn't miss at all. I much prefer my wonderful clients who tell me to go do the survey. I know exactly what they need and they trust me to deliver it. They send me a note saying, "Go do it" and a few days later I send them a note saying, "Done." Keeps us both happy.


 
Posted : May 6, 2020 11:43 am
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@mightymoe

But it is those small jobs that the specs were originally written for. Anyway at a mile apart the geoid, which you have no control over, kills any thoughts of achieving such a spec.

Paul in PA


 
Posted : May 6, 2020 11:58 am

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We had one last year, that was predominately hydrographic survey of a marina around a failing retaining wall. The specs were for offshore navigation hydrographic and specified the type of sonar to use - the only one I could find in the online world was for sale in an antiques shop in Shepherds Bush, London - i.e. archaic.

We got the job, with our proposal stating our spec and equipment, did it, gave it, including the .dwg which wasn't a requirement of the RFP but we gave it anyway since that's what they really needed as someone else was doing the design. Then they came after us, refusing to pay, on the basis that the .dwg didn't match the pdf (we'd removed our logos and some text from the .dwg). In the end we had to accept a $200 reduction in our fee (about $15k) for not providing a "correct" .dwg. Tennis match to get that probably cost us $2000 in time. Yeeha.


 
Posted : May 6, 2020 1:28 pm
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Part of the business is giving clients what they need rather than what they ask for, AND making them appreciate it. If they were surveying experts they wouldn't need us.


 
Posted : May 6, 2020 1:50 pm
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Posted by: @bruce-small

The almost client told me to think of the big picture of all the projects coming up and all the work I'd be missing out on if I passed.

Those pitches almost never pan out.?ÿ


 
Posted : May 6, 2020 3:50 pm
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Posted : May 6, 2020 5:52 pm
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@dougie

My Oath, I've followed many of those over the years, probably permanently following one or two.


 
Posted : May 6, 2020 7:06 pm