Does everyone deserve to own land?

I'll take a slow-cooked well-done roast over any steak you can offer.

@dave-karoly 

I'd argue with you, but it might insight a Political discourse

Some were eventually punished; but they got away with IT for a long time....

It seems to me there is a subset of the population that really doesn’t care a lick about good stewardship of their land.

When people ask about my politics, I often just quote Wendell Berry: “What I stand for is what I stand on.”

I don’t know what objective reality has to do with “politics”.

Does everyone deserve to own land?  Maybe.

Does everyone deserve to own land next door to me? Only if they can pass some tests.  The first and key one is - do all of your vehicles have still have a muffler on them?  If no, you fail the exam and need to move on.

@holy-cow I like cannibals; but only with mushrooms and a salad.

@bstrand and far enough the wind doesn’t blow that smell towards me.   Lol.  But I will admit that i love the smell of cow pies in the morning mixed with a good cup of coffee.

Does everyone deserve to own land?  Maybe.

Does everyone deserve to own land next door to me? Only if they can pass some tests.  The first and key one is - do all of your vehicles have still have a muffler on them?  If no, you fail the exam and need to move on.

I was never so happy the day the guy with the idiotic mustang with fake exhaust noise moved out of the neighborhood.

I vote to ban all glass pack mufflers. I looked at a car ad, seller bragged about the glass pack mufflers, nope can’t stand those things, the resonance interacts with my tinnitus and not in a good way.

You can't prevent the rain from falling..... It will eventually find it's way back to the sea, carrying with it small amounts of whatever crap it's picked up along the way....Humans are dirty and wasteful and need regulatory boundaries. That's really what the law in general tries to address. We've made enough of a mess of the earth already......

@dave-karoly 

You can never have too many laws

Oh, yes, definitely

Deserve's got nothing to do with it

@jon-payne what a great deed restriction.

@jon-payne oh when i was young I remember getting my straight pipes and headers and cherry bomb glass packs and echo tips. Move forward in time and a young teenager across the street driving around all hours of the night in the pasture with loud pipes and it struck me how and why my parents told me to fix my truck or get my own place because they were tired of hearing me coming from mile down the road.  Now I can’t stand loud trucks after the sun goes down.

Paying to replace the tires with no tread left on them is a big eye-opener as to what peeling-out costs you.

Yesterday, we were about to back out to leave a convenience store when a vehicle went by on the street behind us with the bass booming such that my windows were vibrating.  Someday that poor fool will be saying the same things I find myself saying regularly.  Huh?  What?  Did you say something to me?

@jon-payne what a great deed restriction.

It shouldn't need to be a deed restriction where I live.  In Kentucky (and I expect several other states), there is already a law in place to address the issue.  As a matter of fact, it was so important that it is actually in statute in two different places.  But, as with many laws, it is not enforced so is essentially meaningless - same as the thumping noise from stereos.

@olemanriver When I was young, I had a 5.0L Mustang.  It had a factory exhaust system in it and was quieter than about any car on the road (probably the quietest V8 Mustang in the state).  One day, a pipe broke in half and I had to drive it a couple of days before getting to the shop.  A work colleague thought it sounded so cool, but to me it was ridiculous.  A loud vehicle for the sake of being loud is not for me.

No exhaust on the dirt track makes sense in order to keep every ounce of power you can, but on the roadway there is absolutely no need.

It's a fundamental constitutional right for every American who can afford land to own it but with thar right comes the responsibility of environmental stewardship.

I once was a charter member and long serving President of a Rod & Gun Club here in NJ.  We had 160 acres of land that the founding members purchased in the 1930's and the club is located in the Pinelands National Preserve and was under the strict Environmental preservation rules of both the NJ Pinelands Commission and the NJDEP.  About 40 acres of the property contained long abandoned cranberry bogs.

We had a 30' high dirt mound for a shooting backstop on our gun range that was eroding and a clubhouse building that needed repairs with no money to pay for either while operating as a non profit organization.  When we had a fundraising meeting to address how to raise funds to address the repairs, one of the regular members suggested opening up the bogs to off road mudding events and I immediately objected for environmental reasons including water quality issues of the water flowing through the bogs to the 200 acres of operating cranberry bogs adjacent to us and the destruction of endangered native plant species that thrived in the bogs because of the wetlands habitat.  They all thought it was a great idea to hold these events and I had no vote as President, except to break a tie.

At the next regular meeting the vote was to approve these four wheeling events and I immediately resigned as President after 10 years and relinquished my charter membership and interests in the land.

A few weeks later, they had their first event and it raised a few hundred dollars.  As they had them every Saturday, rain or shine, the attendance grew bigger and people were trailering in monster trucks and large restored WWII military vehicles and the club was raising a few thousand dollars per event.  Members were calling me and telling me what a fool I was for walking away.

After about two months of these weekly events, with traffic growing on narrow roads through the woods and the loud sounds echoing through the pines a few town residents dropped a dime and the Pinelands Commission showed up during the next event, needless to say, that did not go well.

In the end, they had to spend every penny they raised to restore the property, the remaining charter members had to either sell their interests into the land of take out a loan to secure their interests in the property and to this day, every time I see one of them in public, I through it into their faces!

When I was younger, I didn’t own land or much of anything, and I liked my music and everything else, LOUD. Now I’m older, own some land (pay the taxes any way), have lots of stuff and I’m half deaf and quiet sounds really good to me now. 

@jon-payne i am that way now. I build a 351w for my first truck. Dome pistons and all. It was way more power than a dumb teenager needed but i was not smart in those days. It was a masterpiece.  I got im so much trouble going into Memphis at night and when the first car alarms were in the drs. And lawyers cars in parking garages I would drive through snort my truck and set them off. All until word got back to my mom. When she found out what mischief i had been up to.  No more after that for me she put the hammer on my rump.  I look back though and so glad she did.  I reckon when i grew up my parents didn’t think i was an angel. Lol.