Did I pin-cushion? I know some of you will say I did, but did I really? The distance between is 0.14'
The pipe was set in the late 50's and supposed to be on the northern R/W line of US 11/460. The nearest concrete highway monuments are about 300' west and 800' east. I found 6 R/W monuments and got 4 to work within 0.08' (which in my area of VA is truly amazing). The pipe worked very well with 5 other lot corner monuments (rods and pipes) of an adjoining parcel that I used for my basis of bearing. So instead of "fudging" some numbers, I set the new #4 rebar on my calculated R/W line. I will use the pipe for line. I think that the old timer that set the pipe did a heck of a job, considering that he probably didn't go get the same R/W monuments that I did.
So, in the end... Did I pincushion? I don't think that I did.
Carl
this is a joke right?
you missed a 1950s monument by 0.14' and felt the need to drive your "better" pin right beside it 0.14'? for 50+ years it has been the corner to every man on earth but you decided you could measure better?
say it ain't so!!
i would have accidently bumped that pipe over 0.07821' when driving that good looking solid stake in the ground and called everything good.:-)
I am hoping this is a joke, but I am afraid it is all to real.
It's against the highway R/W. It's different than a lot corner from the 50's being off. I can't change the R/W data because of a pipe placed to far into the r/w. You can't claim from the state.
Look at the photo.....YES you did.
OK... Maybe I should have added that there was a 1991 survey on the adjoining property that I found everything within 0.02'.
My options were:
1) to call the other surveyor wrong by 0.14' on that line,
2) to call for the platted distance to the pipe and set the rod on the correct R/W line (which I did)
3) not set anything and call for a calculated position only.
Call me surprised at what y'all would do.
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It also looks like it has been accepted as a common corner for awhile also.
Yes. I'd have adjusted the value on it and gone on after I whacked it.
Carl,
You wrote: "So, in the end... Did I pincushion?"
0.14'????
Yes you did, of course McMillan will disagree. At least you didn't remove the "true" monument.
Have a great week/weekend!
"The pipe worked very well with 5 other lot corner monuments (rods and pipes) of an adjoining parcel that I used for my basis of bearing"
that's a pincushion! you didn't even cap your iron, making it even more egregious 😛
What if the monument was a 4" x 4" post? Would you have placed a nail with your tag in the wood at your precise mathematical coordinates and called that the "true RW point"?
Good Grief!
Is this what land surveying has come to?
Keith
Yes, that is a pin cushion.
Consider the center point of the pipe where you tied it, and now consider the diameter of the pipe. How far off is the edge of the pipe to your calculated intersection now? About 0.07'? Come on, that's quite good for 1950's precision. If it matters, show how far off the pipe is from intersection and note that it was held as the corner, that no new monumentation is necessary.
Mr. Hunter,
You wrote, “What if the monument was a 4" x 4" post? Would you have placed a nail with your tag in the wood at your precise mathematical coordinates and called that the "true RW point"?”
Was that statement directed at me, or the original post?
Keith,
You wrote, “Good Grief!Is this what land surveying has come to? Keith”
Could you possibly elaborate on that comment? Forgive my ignorance.;-)
Have a Great weekend!
Long time lurker, first time poster. Howdy everyone.
Sadly, technology has made expert measurers of some folks, this being one of those instances. Did the R/W plans have 50.00 feet on them or 50 feet.
As was pointed out above, where's your cap?
Everyone in the future would like to know who the person is that can measure so accurately, that is until someone comes along who thinks they can measure more accurately than you.
Not sure which is worse, no cap or the pin cushion.
Keith is right, is this what surveying has come to.
I disagree with some "roadway gets the precise measure" philosophy regardless of where right-of-way monuments are set. If I were proportioning between monuments across a public road, I wouldn't apply a proportionate value to the roadway. I would, however, accept monuments reasonably set at the right-of-way and accept them as right-of-way limits.
> Long time lurker, first time poster. Howdy everyone.
> Sadly, technology has made expert measurers of some folks, this being one of those instances. Did the R/W plans have 50.00 feet on them or 50 feet.
> As was pointed out above, where's your cap?
> Everyone in the future would like to know who the person is that can measure so accurately, that is until someone comes along who thinks they can measure more accurately than you.
> Not sure which is worse, no cap or the pin cushion.
> Keith is right, is this what surveying has come to.
#1: Virginia is not a capping/tagging state. Everybody get off their high horse about that issue.
#2: US 11/460 is a variable width R/W - 160' minimum. This is on a large curve and I have R/W monuments that fit very well with said plans.
#3: at what distance do DO I set a new rod on line? 0.25'? 1'? 2.5'?
#4: If I rotated the R/W to fit the pipe, I'd be several feet off my plans.
#5: I'm far from a button pusher, I accepted pipes on this survey that were 0.7' from the calc'ed position. But the are the corner.
#6: I can't take land from the state, no matter how much it is. This is fee/plan R/W.
#7: I guess I was a friggin' 'tard to post this. Won't EVER make that mistake again.
#8: Continue to flame me. I'm done here. Wendell, pull this post if you want to. Apparently I'm too dumb to survey.
Exactly how big are those concrete monuments? I would think that one could find 0.15' floating around somewhere in those concrete monuments. Was that pipe around before the concrete highway markers?
Puzzled.
AS3
What is the size of the error ellipse for that pipe tie?
