Deed to Mathematical Points

This type of stuff bugs me.

Why not call out call (record) verses measured?

I ma sure I will get blasted over that, but in most cases the monument holds. The bearings and distances are there to guide us to the monument.

I know there are exceptions to every rule, and sometimes each situation is different, but this has always concerned me.

Call to "Square" Pipe

> There are several places in this deed where the course goes to a mathematical point next to found monuments.

I don't believe I've ever seen a 3/4-inch SQUARE pipe. Would a 3/4-inch square tube section actually be used for a survey marker?

I assume the metes calls were record. That the found pin was as close as indicated, quite a few surveyors would call it good and report no offsets.

The offset distances are unsufficient to give reason to change the record. Another surveyor on another day may hit the square pipe exactly. That the square pipe is not called the corner implies it has no record as being the corner (not a bound). The square pipe (actually pipe by definition is round, a square shape means it is tubing) may be a fence post or a witness to a buried monument.

However it is far better to carry the record forward and add offsets than to start a series of forever changing the record.

Paul in PA

Excuse Me, The Monument Does Not Hold

An original called for monument in it's original position holds. But that is not the case here.

It this case the scrivener has let you know he does not think the monument to be original.

Paul in PA

[sarcasm]That is just stupid[/sarcasm]

I had an associate that kept doing that and it ended our working relationship.

Part of it was "I can measure better than you can" and the other part was the claim that "it was set in the wrong place to begin with".

I still go out in many places and find original monuments set from the mid 1800s to maybe 10 or less years ago and there are new capped monuments set from hundredths and tenths of a foot on shorter boundaries to within a pace or two from each other on boundaries of a few thousand feet.

o.O

Call to "Square" Pipe

kent-

in fact, that subdivision out on imperial, by the big live oak, we found a whole length of lots monumented with them. they weren't called for on the plat (i don't believe any monumentation was noted on it), and were all off by 2-3 feet, but were clearly set where somebody THOUGHT lot corners should be.

[sarcasm]Wow, that surveyor is goooood......[/sarcasm]

Call to "Square" Pipe

>> I don't believe I've ever seen a 3/4-inch SQUARE pipe. Would a 3/4-inch square tube section actually be used for a survey marker?

Around here yes. In the 60's - 70's before standardization there were had a couple of "garage" surveyors who would set anything they had laying around in the garage. You might find 4 different sized, shaped what have you, monuments on the same survey. Pipes, tubing, re-bars you name it and they'd all be called out as survey stakes in the descriptions and plats. I can't speak to the yahoo calling something square a pipe.

Call to "Square" Pipe

I knew a surveyor that used electrical conduit for monuments.

This kind of stuff usually causes me to go into an epic rant. Any survey pulling that type of stuff needs to immediately and permanently surrender his license. You need to either accept the monument that you find or set your own. Any surveyor doing this is a "wussy", and needs to pull his panties up.

Call to "Square" Pipe

> I knew a surveyor that used electrical conduit for monuments.

They used something that permanent? I worked for a fellow that in his previous job (working for his brother-in-law) set cull sledge hammer handles.

The WHOLE handle?

Probably could cut them in half so you wouldn't "runtout".

btw - In the field notes we refer to such as "set stob"....no kidding...:-/

Totally agree, Tommy!! ridiculous.

You Have No Authority To Accept What Is Not Called For

You look, you find, you measure, you report.

That square pipe is a monument to the corner, it is not the corner.

Surveyors that understand surveying law have no problem with that concept.

For you to think you are a 0.10' better than any or all previous surveyors is arrogance not skill.

Paul in PA

Perhaps the next deed will call for a point 0.13 N and 0.05 W of the square iron pipe.

It's the beginning of what you might call a virtual pincushion.

You Have No Authority To Accept What Is Not Called For

"You Have No Authority To Accept What Is Not Called For"

REALLY??? wow, then I can just quit right now, because I can tell you that 98+% of the deeds that I deal with have absolutely NO Calls for monuments.

So I can just close the doors and go work at the 7-11.

The MONUMENT is the corner if I accept it. It's got nothing to do with claiming superior measuring skills.

You Have No Authority To Accept What Is Not Called For

> For you to think you are a 0.10' better than any or all previous surveyors is arrogance not skill.
>

That is exactly THE point. Evidently the guy who wrote the description in the OP thought he was a .10 south and .11 east better than those that had gone before him. Yep, a great example of either arrogance and/or ignorance.

And just what authority does a surveyor have to reject a monument based only on mere measurements (being only .1 ft. south & .11 ft east)?

hey people, leave your calculations on your desk. one tenth is only a two-kick-toe-stab from being dead on.

You Have No Authority To Accept What Is Not Called For

> You look, you find, you measure, you report.
>
> That square pipe is a monument to the corner, it is not the corner.
>
> Surveyors that understand surveying law have no problem with that concept.
>
> For you to think you are a 0.10' better than any or all previous surveyors is arrogance not skill.
>
> Paul in PA

Your title seems to contradict the body of what you wrote.