Scott Ellis, post: 429430, member: 7154 wrote: What County?
Parker
lakedude, post: 429431, member: 12730 wrote: The Library of Congress has a drawn survey that shows the counties.
cool, you want free expert advice AND you're being evasive. you sound like the IDEAL client. good luck!
Kris Morgan, post: 429421, member: 29 wrote: He's a dork and you know it. 🙂
Are you saying that's a bad thing? :manhole:
lakedude, post: 429432, member: 12730 wrote: Parker
interestingly enough I was just looking at a sticky issue in Parker County just last week. Had to be the most odious and ironic set of 6 amendments to restrictive covenants I've ever seen: apparently the first 5 amendments didn't adequately address the size, time, and place that permitted flags (read: US and Texas) could be flown from an owner's home during the week.
lakedude, post: 429414, member: 12730 wrote: I have hired a surveyor
lakedude, post: 429414, member: 12730 wrote: Looking at what I need to look for maybe what I missed getting documents or advice.
-A professional surveyor with local knowledge will know what information to gather. Your research may have helped save some time there, but may not all be useful. The surveyor will be able to advise you on options for how to proceed. You may end up needing an attorney also, but recognize that going to court is very expensive and slow.
-It would help readability greatly if your original post had used some paragraph breaks. They are not expensive.
Bill93, post: 429438, member: 87 wrote: -A professional surveyor with local knowledge will know what information to gather. Your research may have helped save some time there, but may not all be useful. The surveyor will be able to advise you on options for how to proceed. You may end up needing an attorney also, but recognize that going to court is very expensive and slow.
-It would help readability greatly if your original post had used some paragraph breaks. They are not expensive.
Yea i know The first post to this form has a charter limit and I was within the limit by 1... Yea nothing related to government is cheap or fast or makes sense.
flyin solo, post: 429433, member: 8089 wrote: cool, you want free expert advice AND you're being evasive. you sound like the IDEAL client. good luck!
Wasn't trying to be evasive...
I just got off the phone with the poster, and it does sound like a Surveying mess. The subdivision was platted in 2006, and that Surveyor is in prison. There are 5 fences between his tract and the Farmers tract, and the Surveyor who surveyed his house can't recall if he found or set the back corners, but he did move them back 10 inches to match the acreage called for on the plat.
Scott Ellis, post: 429415, member: 7154 wrote: Please post the deeds, and I have never heard of using the Library of Congress as a deed research. Until I see some deeds and the Plat I am thinking this is just bait.
Thank you for the conversation over the phone Scott
I believe the poster does have a Survey mess, and he answered every question I asked him, once he has enough post of here to be able to post documents I am sure he will. He does need to call the Texas Survey Board and make a complaint
Deed before the subdivision was created:
Andy Nold, post: 429470, member: 7 wrote: http://www.glo.texas.gov/ncu/SCANDOCS/archives_webfiles/arcmaps/webfiles/landgrants/PDFs/3/4/6/346971.pdf
I have certified copies of those...
That's where I see the part his deed says he is taking more from a abstract than what was originally there. When I contacted the GLO office they said there is no overage and there was never an update to this abstract.
The following, if present in a description of rural Texas land, are nearly always a red flag that serious research will be needed.
- Description in bearings to nearest 1/4 degree,
- Distances in yards or steps,
- Distances to nearest vara or 1/2 vara,
- Description that appears to have been written by non-surveyor,
- Call for original land grant line with no mention of any tie to any original corner,
- Call for meanders of highly irregular wire fence as being some line "as fenced and used on the ground" or similar phrase,
- Calls for courses and distances with no indication that survey was made,
- Differing monument descriptions at nominally the same corners of adjoining properties with no explanation in the record,
- Calls for fence along State highway right-of-way,
- Calls for land to consist of parts of more than one land grant,
- Reference to subdivision map not of record, and
- A bunch of other things.
I've got to say that the above list continues to be as good diagnostic test as when I first posted it.
lakedude, post: 429480, member: 12730 wrote: I have certified copies of those...
That's where I see the part his deed says he is taking more from a abstract than what was originally there. When I contacted the GLO office they said there is no overage and there was never an update to this abstract.
I don't know that the GLO staff would necessarily issue a surveying opinion based solely on the records. If there is any excess in that survey, corrected field notes would need to be prepared by a licensed state land surveyor. Corrected field notes have not been filed on those surveys but it is possible that there is excess and it's also possible that there isn't any excess.
You have a lot of information that needs to be reviewed by a registered surveyor. While this is right up the road from my family home in Azle, it is not the type of surveying I currently practice. I think you said you currently have a surveyor on retainer, I think I would concentrate on working with him and your neighbors who are adversely affected by the adjoiner to resolve the problem. If you have specific questions, I'm sure people here will try to help you understand the issues, but resolution will come from your local surveyor who is experienced in that area.
Kent McMillan, post: 429482, member: 3 wrote: The following, if present in a description of rural Texas land, are nearly always a red flag that serious research will be needed.
- Description in bearings to nearest 1/4 degree,
- Distances in yards or steps,
- Distances to nearest vara or 1/2 vara,
- Description that appears to have been written by non-surveyor,
- Call for original land grant line with no mention of any tie to any original corner,
- Call for meanders of highly irregular wire fence as being some line "as fenced and used on the ground" or similar phrase,
- Calls for courses and distances with no indication that survey was made,
- Differing monument descriptions at nominally the same corners of adjoining properties with no explanation in the record,
- Calls for fence along State highway right-of-way,
- Calls for land to consist of parts of more than one land grant,
- Reference to subdivision map not of record, and
- A bunch of other things.I've got to say that the above list continues to be as good diagnostic test as when I first posted it.
That's why I copied it from another post hit's every point on the list.
I think the OP was "Am I missing something?"
What does your surveyor say?
Kris Morgan, post: 429417, member: 29 wrote: I was having a similar thought. There is nothing wrong with being a vigilant landowner; however, assuming that reading the deed makes everything crystal clear is interesting at the least.
Seems like a surveyor is needed in that county who has some specific knowledge of the area.
And the library of Congress.
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spledeus, post: 429562, member: 3579 wrote: And the library of Congress.
Yeah, I'm still curious about this one
