Clarify Terminology For Me

The 30 foot offset is "usually" from a corner that cannot be set. like the center of a stream or the center of a road. We around here answer lots of questions just ask away.
Andy

Does that mean the marker isn't actually at the corner? It is the southwest corner of the property and the southern boundary runs parallel to a gravel road.

I've uploaded the plat in case someone can take a look. Thank you!

The corner in question was set at the established Right-of-Way for that road....60' R/W...think of it as a point on line that won't get plowed away from plow trucks in the winter....

I'd recommend that you "Find" the 2 offset corners, as shown on the plat you posted, @ the SW and NE corners of your property.
"Find" means a number of things. It could mean go out there, and find it yourself, or call the surveyor, and he may charge you a couple hundred bucks, and that he shows them to you. When you find them, (via whatever means) set STEEL fence post about a foot, or a half a foot away from the monument, but on the property line.
Depending on the terrain, and the kind of guy that this surveyor is, it may be to your advantage to ALSO have him set a couple of line pines along the NORTHERLY and WESTERLY line.
I could fill a book, with situations, where the BUYER did not pay for a survey, and ASSUMED where the lines were, or the seller "Told" him where the lines were... but that was just the seller blowing smoke... he wanted to sell, and so he said stuff.
So, at the point you buy land, find out what you did.. and where the boundaries are... (Did you notice the word find?).

hey, congrats, on your purchase!

N

rberry5886, post: 419228, member: 232 wrote: The corner in question was set at the established Right-of-Way for that road....60' R/W...think of it as a point on line that won't get plowed away from plow trucks in the winter....

Humbly, I'd suggest not assuming that it was on any sort of right-of-way. It certainly could be, but it could also be a distance that simply worked for the purpose of setting the monument in a place that it would likely survive road and utility maintenance.

Your south property line IS the approx centerline of the gravel road. The distance 875.78 goes from the NE corner to the center of the gravel road. The iron pin is 845.78 from the NE corner, and your property extends 30 feet more. However the right-of-way of road may be a dedicated ROW.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with some one a few days ago.

Hi Billy,
I am needing the gps coordinates for my land that you did survey for please.

Information of lots:
Parcel # listed on both is
70358650 for U
nit 07 block 010 lot 001
for 5-acres
Unit 07 block 010 lot 016
for 5-acres

I would appreciate all the information I can get on these 2 5-acres sections of land.
Please email me if you would so I have the correct coordinates of the properties to find the metal pegs.

I need information asap as we are making a trip that direction on Friday.
My contact information is below.
*************
******@yahoo.com
719-839-****
Thank you for you help.

Just wanted to check to see if got all the information to get gps information?

I did get the information, I actually stopped by the site an took a quick look. I have not done anything in this particular location. I can recover and verify the original corners but it costs $400 for the first lot and an extra $150 for the second. If I can not find the original corners and I have to set monuments, I am required by law to record a Survey Plat. The cost will be $1400 for both lots. I usually find the rear lots but the fronts can sometimes be destroyed by road blading or when the fiber optics was placed along the roads.
My advice is to attempt to locate the corners first and then go from there if the recovery does not go well. If a survey is required of course I will deduct the $550 from the $1400. I mark all found or set corners with a 4' rebar and set a PVC pipe over it to write on.

P.S. GPS coordinates will do little good since they are usually autonomous positions +- 10-15 feet.

Do you know who should have the original information? Who I should be checking with?

The original information is the subdivision plat. This plat was done in the seventies, way before GPS was used.

How do you use a plat in marking out lot for a fence?

The plat has the lot dimensions and bearings, you must recover an existing corner to start from, then measure from that corner to look for the next and so on for each corner. If a corner is not found or destroyed then you need to continue down each line in both directions until you find enough corners to proportion the missing corner to be set. You can not set an actual monument because that is breaking the law. Surveying is a regulated profession.

Ok where do I get plat measurements? From who?

The county clerk and recorder, They have a 4 day work week and are closed on Fridays.

Ok thank you

What concerns me is this surveyor set a 1/4 corner and section corner based only on a 1/4 corner. If other information regarding setting those corners, including ties, is on filed corner records should not this survey at minimum indicate the corner records. The parcels to the North and West have no references as neither do the Sections to the East and South. It may also be necessary to reference the subdivision that created Parcel A.

Paul in nonPLSS PA

ok, I think the take-away is that the markers or at least some will not be exactly on the property corner. Thanks everyone!

AndrewB, post: 419243, member: 12581 wrote: ok, I think the take-away is that the markers or at least some will not be exactly on the property corner. Thanks everyone!

Not on the corner, but on the line. He did you a favor setting them where he did.

A fairly common practice of many surveyors is to not set a monument for a property corner when said property corner falls in the middle of a busy roadway. Typically, they will set a monument along the affected property line at a distance equal to the record half width of the public road right-of-way. In your case, both roads show a 60-foot total right-of-way which is normally 30 feet on either side of the section line. Personally, I do not like to place an offset monument on the right-of-way line, as your surveyor has done in three places, because too many people will jerk the monument out of the ground, place a post hole digger right there and proceed to attempt to set a fence post exactly where the monument was placed. That defeats the purpose of having the survey in the first place.

In Colorado, along the front range, the intention for these RIGHTS OF WAYS were to be centered along section lines. By statute, if a property corner is "inaccessible" to set a monument, then witness corners are set, and the distance, say, 30.00 feet, is required to be stated on the plat and the monument. However, it is not totally clear from the description of the monument, when the plat calls out "rights of way". In my county in Colorado, if there is a right of way, that term alone means that private property ends at the right of way, and public property goes to the center of the right of way or 60 feet, or whatever the right of way width is, as opposed to the situation where the private ownership goes to the center, subject to a public easement for right of way. Therefore, here, we set our monuments, along the right of way and there is no need for any statement that it is 30 feet to the centerline. The monument marks the bounds of private ownership. It is very common and sometimes a standard requirement to state on the plat that there is a 60' right of way. It would be unusual for any witness corner to be necessary for right of way markers.

I would also say that we are required to find or set section corners monuments, 1/4 corners, or 1/16 corners, in many roadways.

Shawn Billings, post: 419234, member: 6521 wrote: Humbly, I'd suggest not assuming that it was on any sort of right-of-way. It certainly could be, but it could also be a distance that simply worked for the purpose of setting the monument in a place that it would likely survive road and utility maintenance.

Please disregard my comment. I see from the plat you included that the offset stakes were set where the surveyor understood the right-of-way to be.

AndrewB, post: 419243, member: 12581 wrote: ok, I think the take-away is that the markers or at least some will not be exactly on the property corner. Thanks everyone!

Get to know your local surveyor!
His phone # is on the plat.
You kind of did him a disservice by posting his work here.
Already a Surveyors here are being critical when they have no basis to do so. State standards and even local standard of care can vary greatly in real world.

It occurred to me that explaining how this is usually done in my county is not at all helpful. Your survey was done according to Colorado Revised Statutes, 38-51, 101 - 106, and according to your surveyor, your property as described in the deed goes to the Section lines, which were properly recovered and retraced. However, your property is subject to an EASEMENT for the county road, which is described as a RIGHT OF WAY on the plat. Your surveyor found the monuments for the southeast and northwest corner. He is required to set the southwest and northeast corner, and using his judgement of the terrain, he set 30.00 foot witness corners on the exact intersection with your property corner and the easement line. This is a good way to mark the property, because for all intents and purposes, you do not actually own the property within the 60' easement for the county road. The easement line is the starting line for land that you can use to build on, etc. (subject to whatever restrictions exist)

I should also note that in Colorado, "Land Survey Plats" will eventually be posted in the "county surveyor index" for easy public access. Any member of the public can find, download, and read these plats, and surveyors are well aware that there is no secret or privacy afforded to their monuments or documents. This surveyor apparently complied with all statutes knowing that it would become a public document.

warren ward PLS CO OK, post: 419273, member: 12536 wrote: I should also note that in Colorado, "Land Survey Plats" will eventually be posted in the "county surveyor index" for easy public access. Any member of the public can find, download, and read these plats, and surveyors are well aware that there is no secret or privacy afforded to their monuments or documents. This surveyor apparently complied with all statutes knowing that it would become a public document.

That's all fine and common knowledge,I would agree. But in my opinion, I do think that distribution on the internet takes that right to another level of notice that is not necessary.
The poster could have redacted or masked the surveyor's identity by using a marker, tape or paper like others have done in the past.
Plus masking the clients name would have been appropriate to their right of privacy as a courtesy.
Yes, I am aware someday everyone's plat will be available on line. Whether one will be charged for it use, probably will be another matter.

As a C.E. presenter, the theme of my presentations are real pincushion cases, where I have copies of actual plats and photos of pincushions.

At the beginning of each presentation, I tell the audience that I made efforts to hide the identity of the surveyors who are behind the subject material you are about to see, because the discussion has nothing to do with the surveyors and it is not my intention to single out any surveyor. HOWEVER, I must also disclose that you are about to see photos of pincushions set by surveyors who knew that everyone on the ground would SEE the pincushions, accompanied by plats with their stamps on it showing they set pincushions, and these plats were sent to me (county surveyor) so that they would be posted online for the public to see. The common denominator of my theme is that the surveyors behind the pincushions WANT US TO KNOW THEY SET PINCUSHIONS!

In essence, every surveyor, including me, should assume that others will see our work. The average plat is emailed out in pdf these days.

I don't know how it works in Colorado, but this looks like a parcel map for Parcel A that creates a 41Ac. tract along two county roads. There aren't references to the creation deed because this map is part of it, I'm assuming the description is new and this is a cut out of a larger existing tract. Generally I'm used to a deed being filed with a plat like this that references the plat and transfers the parcel.

By setting the "offset" monuments he has allowed the points for occupation to be monumented and used in fencing and or building, which is more useful to the landowner than points buried in the road that are difficult to recover. He even set one at the intersection of the road right of ways. As far as Section corner ties they would be covered by a corner recordation, if none are already filed for them. A surveyor picking up the deed, the corner records, and this plat should have little trouble retracing the parcel in the future. And more importantly the landowner should be able to use the monuments and this plat for their purposes.