How many would set monuments in this driveway following deed dimensions for the property to the left, walk away and let the chips fall??ÿ Just curious.
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I'll bet dollars to donuts, someone will respond:
It depends??
If it were in Michigan, then someone would definitely set pins and crack a cold one at quittin?? time.?ÿ
If it were anywhere else, you??d probably have a decent survey already.?ÿ
If I had done my normal exhaustive research of all adjacent properties as well as my primary property and that is what everything on paper indicates, I would bring this to the attention of my client.?ÿ My first question would be, "Is there anything you have not told me?"?ÿ Then explain what was most likely going to happen when I set the monuments somewhere in that road.?ÿ Stuff like this is so common, I almost expect it to happen frequently.
An excellent example of this involved a battle between business owners along a main route.?ÿ One was a restaurant and one was a liquor store.?ÿ The liquor store really had two problems.?ÿ One was that the semi that brought their supplies had to get onto the restaurant property to get in and get out.?ÿ Secondly, the liquor stone decided to add a drive-up window on the side next to the restaurant.?ÿ This reduced the available parking space for the restaurant.?ÿ There had never been a definite line of any kind telling either owner where the common property line should be.?ÿ The spat became a brouhaha one evening when the delivery semi pulled into the restaurant area and the restaurant owner went out and blocked him in with vehicles.?ÿ Tempers flared.?ÿ Names were shouted (bad ones, of course).?ÿ Threats were made.?ÿ I show up and do the survey, finding plenty of existing monuments nearby.?ÿ It turned out the liquor store was only five feet from the property line on the side where they had installed the drive-up window.?ÿ The restaurant owner immediately brought in old power poles and a power drill and rods.?ÿ He created a nifty barrier to insure no one was going to?ÿ cross over onto his property ever again.?ÿ A few months later the liquor store closed.
Can't help but wonder if this photo was from a Google Earth view of a certain property in Michigan.
Bullies are bullies no matter where they live.
Liquor Store with a drive up window, OI!
Oh, yes.?ÿ They have become quite popular.?ÿ The first one I ever noticed only came to my attention because they had a nice, new, freshly paved drive going around the back side of the building and had a metal canopy installed so your vehicle could stay dry as you exchanged money for booze on a rainy day.
Near the border of Ohio/Pennsylvania/West Virginia there was a drive-through liquor store. Like a car wash, but with beer coolers and liquor bottles on the sides.
It was heavenly.?ÿ
I can honestly say that I have never ??deed staked? a property in my life. I??m constitutionally unable.
They were all over Ohio in the 80's.?ÿ No idea about now.?ÿ
And I know Matamoras PA has them, and drive-thru cigarette places too
"deed staked" must mean something other than what I'm thinking.?ÿ I've definitely staked per the deed.?ÿ No other physical evidence around, so I staked out what the deed called for.?ÿ Not really sure why that would be considered a bad thing
I'm not licensed (yet), and although I've been working as a technician for 22+ years I don't have a lot of exposure to boundary disputes/discrepancies involving residential properties.?ÿ I'm really interested to read about how you fine folks handle these situations.?ÿ At what point do you alert your client that there's a potential issue??ÿ How much research and field work do you do before you have that conversation (assuming you DO have the conversation)? Is it ever appropriate to "just set the stakes and walk away"??ÿ I can feel this line of thinking spawning more questions as I type this so I'm going to stop now. 🙂
Early in my survey career we performed a boundary survey that looked a lot like that.?ÿ We had found the monuments on both properties except the one that ended up in the driveway.?ÿ The dimensions all matched (within reason) but we just couldn't make that other corner appear outside the gravel drive.?ÿ No luck with the dip needle (pre Schonstedt) in the driveway.?ÿ Oh well, we'll just have to set the pin.?ÿ I never liked trying to drive a pin through gravel but so be it.?ÿ We turned the angle, pulled the distance and made a mark to remove the gravel so the pin would be countersunk.?ÿ WHOOOOOOEEEE!!!?ÿ Down about 3 inches was a 2 inch steel pipe, it just wouldn't register on the dip needle even after it was exposed.?ÿ The location we had computed was not the in the center of the pipe but it was well inside.
Now that deserves an adult refreshment at the end of the day.
Andy
