> ... just my ten cents.....
Great! Here is 
now you have a 
, so do us all a favor and take that 
and use a 
to place a call to the 
and find a new line of work.. You're not cut out to be a surveyor
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That phone looks like the one that's in my kitchen:
It came from the house I grew up in -- I took it with me when my Dad sold the place in 1972.
In Florida.
ALL the plans I work from have this note: (or one similar)
BENCHMARKS AND OTHER REFERENCE POINTS SHALL BE CAREFULLY MAINTAINED THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD. IF DISTURBED OR DESTROYED, THESE POINTS SHALL BE REPLACED BY A FLORIDA P.L.S. AT CONTRACTORS EXPENSE.
I've also had plans with notes directing us to use "well boxes" (valve boxes) to protect the section corners in the centerline.
:gammon:
That is great. I may look at things in a twisted way, but I'm not switching professions. I love surveying way too much, but I do appreciate your ten cents. 🙂
Well smarten up then!
If you GD surveyors wouldn't keep putting your GD monuments right in the middle of the road, then we wouldn't have to dig them up! I really can't think of a stupider place to put a monument; right in the middle of heavy traffic! Can't you just monument the EROW instead? Now your gonna tell me it some PLSS gospel and the world would stop turning if you deviated from the status quo.
> We don't have center line monuments around here, ....
>
> -Jeff
Never figgured out why the rest of the country puts them right in the middle of the road????
um.. he gave you fifteen cents..... just sayin' :-/
Well smarten up then!
I hear that except that I notice they don't pave over their water valves, sewer manholes, storm manholes, telephone manholes and all of the other various boxes out there.
The attitude contractors and engineers have towards monuments is it isn't a big deal to put them back as they destroy everything in the entire neighborhood. Even when they know they are there the City Engineer told a contractor not to worry about the pipes in the centerline. A local LS threatened to file a complaint against the City Engineers PE license which finally got some action on preserving monuments.
"...who cares if the city tears out these "precious" monuments..."
You should - its part of your responsibility as a registrant/licensee to protect the public! Oops - forgot about that in your me, me, me world, huh? What a piss-poor attitude and lack of understanding!
> Never figured out why the rest of the country puts them right in the middle of the road
The "why" is easy -- in most subdivisions, if you can nail down the centerline of the road you can determine where the lot corners are with a high degree of certainty. Centerline monuments are basically subdivision control monuments. And in the areas of California where I work, lot corner monuments often fall victim to fence, utility and landscaping activity.
The "how" is where the wheels come off. Monuments driven directly into the pavement (pipes, rebars, nails) tend not to survive road maintenance and reconstruction activities, while those placed in a monument well generally weather those intact. Unfortunately, in many jurisdictions monument wells aren't required because they cost more up front, but it's a false economy when viewed in the long term.
If you're dealing with unpaved roads, then the situation changes. In that circumstance, lot corner monuments probably stand a better chance of surviving than near-surface centerline marks, and they're a whole lot easier to recover than deep centerline monuments.
You're right about protecting the public. I hate when points are missing too. I was only trying to make the point that that is part of our of job. If it were so easy to re-establish points than we may as well have the grading contractors measure the public's boundaries.
To be fair to you all out west, most of our points in the colonial states are not in middle of the road, so I probably don't deal with as much as you. Have a great weekend -- I have to get back to building a college fund. B-)
I'll remember that next time I drive over a crappy cold-patch job.
Generally I don't like to bury monuments because that kind of defeats the whole purpose of a monument.
Sometimes, however, the situation calls for it. I wanted to set a line monument where the line crosses a gravel forest road. There is evidence the road and ditches are occasionally bladed for maintenance. So we selected what we though would be the safest spot and buried it a foot down. We put BT tags on nearby trees and blazed a line tree. Hopefully it will survive. I showed it to the neighbor who is really aware of where her boundary is located.
I have seen that note too or something similar to it but it does not do a damn bit of good. I had a county engineer tell me to my face that it would cost "way to much to survey all of the monuments prior to construction and then replace them after." When I asked him about all of the block corners that his new sidewalk was destroying he just shrugged and walked away. That is the problem, no one cares about this except us. Well, some of us.
Well smarten up then! - Perry
The C/L is the best place for control monuments. Once the street improvements are done the monuments are then set. The surface of the street should last at least 40 years before it needs a resurface. The C/L monuments are also tied out with reference points in the curb, in Los Angeles County it is a minimum of four ties per point. These are placed normal to BC - EC's of curves and on C/L tangents produced.
The sidelines of a street has more private construction activity over the years and any monuments on those lines will get destroyed a lot earlier.
When was the last time you ever had to dig up a street to recover a monument Perry?
This method has served Los Angeles County quite well for over 100 years, do you have a better method of placing original control in your area?
