Well smarten up then! - Perry
Henry would have used the same stone walls that the Minutemen hid behind in 1776.
Well smarten up then! - Perry
Yeah Sean, and it makes it easy for the selectmen to see the town line bounds from their cars as they do the yearly perambulation....
Frost
This entire thread has been enlightening. Western, Southern and non frozen states do centerline staking. Northern, Eastern and frozen states do not require it.
Having spent the first 28 or so yrs of my surveying career in MI, I will say that it is no easy task chopping through 3 ft of frost in a gravel road to find a "effing" section corner that you know is there. Oh, and those nice subdivision lot surveys with the groomed yard (still got the 3' frost dealy thingy going on) you need to take a pick to in order to verify..... well the yuppie bytch homeowner may not like that, as her 4 lb football sized shytzu dog barks at you the whole time.
Now here in sunny AZ, we have all these nice C/L monuments to go by. And some lazy SOB complains because he has to chop 2" of assfault to verify it.
wah wah wah
Well smarten up then! - Perry
> ...The surface of the street should last at least 40 years before it needs a resurface.
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> This method has served Los Angeles County quite well for over 100 years, do you have a better method of placing original control in your area?
I was going to say that paving schedule sounds impossible, since here on Kauai we have a rough paving schedule for our State highways of 10-15 years, and sometimes the last few years are pretty bumpy, but I visit the South Bay pretty frequently, and it looks like the pavement lasts much longer there. I know it's made from dg instead of lava rock, so that's a help, I'm sure. That, and the frequent wet conditions here just tear the asphalt up.
We set our monuments on the shoulder usually on a 15 foot offset from C/L. After doing this work for over a decade now, if I had to set up anywhere in a busy intersection, I feel safest right on the C/L by C/L. They can see you there...
> If you monument the street sidelines as we do in Mass, these monuments are basically the the subdivision control. In my experiance, 6"x6"x48" granite, set 2" below grade are as adequate as monumentation in the street.
No doubt. I sure wouldn't want to be on the monumentation crew for a 2000-lot subdivision, though!
Exactly!
Well smarten up then!
Many of the monuments are also GLO corners or 1/16 corners, so we are very, very reluctant to move them. Also, it is my experience that things along the r/w tend to go missing through people making improvements up to the edge of the roadway more often then c/l control, hence the need for a survey because the lot marker at the r/w is gone!
Howdy all,
The area in question is comprised of irregular roadways that meander through the right of way. The paving is not parallel or concentric to the right of way and it winds all over the place in a very irregular manner. There are no curbs, gutters, or sidewalks. Indeed there is no logical relationship between the paved road and right of way which is very narrow. In some instances, the paving is a few feet away from the right of way and in others, it is 15 or 20 feet away.
There is no logic at all.
As a result, the adjoiners have improved and developed these areas. There is no place to put a monument other than the centerline and that is where the City Engineer put them when the streets were constructed 80 years ago. If you set something on the sideline it will be on a deck or in a garden or in the surface of a fifty thousand dollar driveway.
The homes in this neighborhood run from $2M to $15M. One of my former clients is Ann Rice, the famed vampire writer. Others own football teams, massice computer companies and the like. There are several billionaires in this neighborhood. If you can zoom into Google Maps or Bing, check it out. You can see all the concrete patching and asphalt patches and manholes. The original streets were all concrete. One of these monuments can control $50M worth of real estate.
The underlying map has numerous curves, short tangents and reverse curves and many of the odd shaped lots do not close. It is a pathetic map full of gross errors. In some instances there may be 4 or 5 survey monuments at a corner. As a result of the city's destruction program, I now have two cases in litigation. At the peak of the market, one of these houses was valued at $22M.
It is very sad and disappointing. In spite of my efforts over the last three years, the destruction continues unabated. With the exception of a couple of the city's field surveyors, the responses I have received have been overwhelmingly positive!
The general site coordinates are:
32°50'46.87" N 117°15'34.38" W
There will be more to follow.
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Michael Pallamary,PLS
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