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Must have had a few before he set it if the mag nail in sand is expected to last long
That's the work of ol' Hezikiha J. Beer who was near the front of the line on the day they began passing out surveyor licenses in Oregon.?ÿ Some members of the Beer family dropped the "y" on the end when they immigrated to the US.?ÿ Quite a number of Beery family members are stuck admitting they are related to me through my mother's father's mother's mother's side of the family tree.
Must have had a few before he set it if the mag nail in sand is expected to last long
It's probably wedged tight enough between the bricks that it won't come out without tools.
it won't come out without tools.
Like a snow shovel.
@bill93 here in the North East, that baby won't last for mor than a couple freeze and thaw cycles.?ÿ Heaving will pop that sucker right out.
Find the companion corner marked "It's 5 O' Clock Somewhere".?ÿ LOL!
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In Washington State there should be one reading: 54-40 OR FIGHT close enough to the Canadian border for it to be read from north of the border.
@bill93?ÿ
I regard mag nails, unless leaded into a clean drill hole in sound concrete, as temporary control.?ÿ Even that is iffy.?ÿ
Well, it is a working point and not record map monument, right?
Is that an acceptable monument for a recorded map or survey by any County Surveyor? ?ÿ
Just curious.
JA, PLS SoCal
Is that an acceptable monument for a recorded map or survey by any County Surveyor? ?ÿ
There's one similar to that a few blocks from me, but instead of a mag nail the tag is epoxied to a paver.?ÿ The "monument" is shown on a Corner Record.?ÿ
Whenever a utility comes along to dig things up that paver is likely to end up in a different location.?ÿ ?ÿ I complained to the regional JPPC about it, but nothing was done.
I can think of two section corners that fall on a movable concrete rail crossing pad.?ÿ In one case that pad has been removed and then replaced backwards.?ÿ It now has two marks so you will find an "X" in concrete at the spot agreeing with the reference notes.
@bill93?ÿ
I regard mag nails, unless leaded into a clean drill hole in sound concrete, as temporary control.?ÿ Even that is iffy.?ÿ
But the hole in the concrete is permanent. I used to put them in expansion joints when I first started. I quickly learned that was a bad idea. If, however, you pound a lath end into the joint first, then the mag nail, it will stay for a couple of years.?ÿ
Is that an acceptable monument for a recorded map or survey by any County Surveyor? ?ÿ
There's one similar to that a few blocks from me, but instead of a mag nail the tag is epoxied to a paver.?ÿ The "monument" is shown on a Corner Record.?ÿ
Whenever a utility comes along to dig things up that paver is likely to end up in a different location.?ÿ ?ÿ I complained to the regional JPPC about it, but nothing was done.
That is very possibly a temporary control point...
Is that an acceptable monument for a recorded map or survey by any County Surveyor? ?ÿ
There's one similar to that a few blocks from me, but instead of a mag nail the tag is epoxied to a paver.?ÿ The "monument" is shown on a Corner Record.?ÿ
Whenever a utility comes along to dig things up that paver is likely to end up in a different location.?ÿ ?ÿ I complained to the regional JPPC about it, but nothing was done.
And, for a mea culpa...when I was new at this, I set a lead and tack in the top of a keystone wall. Now, the capstone was glued down with mastic, but it did move when they tore down the wall and rebuilt it...oops.
Well, it is a working point and not record map monument, right?
Is that an acceptable monument for a recorded map or survey by any County Surveyor? ?ÿ
Just curious.
JA, PLS SoCal
Yes, for many up here as it is defined by Act in Ontario.?ÿ They are usually set with a washer stating "OLS ####" with the # being their registered number.?ÿ One would pound the concrete pin and washer flush or below the adjacent grade if possible to avoid snow plows ripping it out.?ÿ For those that do get ripped out, the hole often remains.?ÿ Commonly only set in a busy residential setting (ie. asphalt) or a remote setting (ie. Canadian Shield).?ÿ Mag Nails are a common "goto."?ÿ If setting something in concrete, a cut cross is usually preferred.?ÿ To distinguish monuments from control, local practice is to mark boundary's with a "cross," control with a "T" or non-perpendicular "X."
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/910525
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Surveyors Act
Loi sur les arpenteurs-g??om??tresONTARIO REGULATION 525/91
FORMERLY UNDER SURVEYS ACT
MONUMENTS
1.?ÿ(1) In this Regulation,
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??concrete pin? means an iron or steel pin at least five millimetres in diameter and at least five centimetres long;
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2.?ÿ(1) A surveyor shall define each point in a survey that requires monumentation under this Regulation with a monument that is,
(a) a concrete pin;
(b) a cut cross;
(c) an iron bar;
(c.1) a plastic bar;
(d) a rock bar;
(e) a rock plug;
(f) a rock post;
(g) a short standard iron bar; or
(h) a standard iron bar. O.?ÿReg. 525/91, s. 2?ÿ(1); O.?ÿReg. 219/10, s.?ÿ2?ÿ(1).
(2) A surveyor using a concrete pin shall securely drive or wedge the pin into bedrock, concrete or asphalt so that the top of the pin is flush with the surface of the bedrock, concrete or asphalt, as the case may be. O.?ÿReg. 219/10, s.?ÿ2?ÿ(2).
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- (1) On a plan of survey, the surveyor shall designate all monuments planted, including those which replace found monuments by,
(a) the symbol?ÿ?ÿ; and
(b) the letters of designation for the monument set out in the following Table:
TABLE
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Item
Type of monument
Letters of designation
1.
Concrete pin
CP
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It's only a 'temporary' control point for stumbling and bumbling.....
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I have need to go to a corner I found a couple of times about 20 years ago.?ÿ At that time I found a PK nail that had been driven in a crack in bedrock on a very rural, low-traffic gravel road.?ÿ It had already been there over 20 years.?ÿ I bet I find it again.
JPPC
Joint Policy and Planning Committee?
Licensed Land Surveyor
Finger Lakes Region, Upstate New York