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(@scott-in-indianapolis)
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I have a survey for a parcel on Lake Monroe in Bloomington, Indiana. The legal references a USC & GS monument (named "Station 607.3") that is not showing up on any NGS searches (map, name search, archives).  I believe "Station 607.3" is not the monument's name but it's elevation.  Any advice/experience on finding info on these old monuments (1965)?

Also, the survey calls to and along the US Government Fee Taking Line. Any advice or experience on finding the corp's regulated stage elevation?

 
Posted : February 17, 2025 2:07 pm
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Looks like Lake Monroe was authorized in 1958.  You should be able to trace your deed back to that time and find where the US government was granted the property for the lake.  Probably will reference what the property line is.  A quick read of some online descriptions seem to look like it will be a contour line.   https://www.dvidshub.net/publication/issues/72101

It is in the Louisville District, so you might contact them and see if you can get a land acquisition map.

The lake near me is in the Nashville District, but there is a local ranger office at the dam that has copies of the acquisition maps.  If there is a local ranger office, you might see if they have the maps.

 
Posted : February 17, 2025 3:20 pm
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You could also get help from your regional geodetic advisor as well possibly. Get a rough lat long height on it a good rubbing or photo and send that the your NGS advisor and see if they can aid in finding any data sheet on it.  If you post the lat long someone here might have used it before. Also USACE keeps records as well. 

 
Posted : February 17, 2025 8:56 pm
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When I was in Oklahoma we had a job near a COE managed reservoir. I called on the reservoir office and, long story short, was eventually shown a file cabinet in an unheated shed that had a wealth of data about the boundary of the reservoir. Old field book, maps, the works.     

 
Posted : February 18, 2025 10:41 am
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@norman-oklahoma 

This is my hope - but I have not found any such resource yet.  So far, everyone is pointing me to COE (Louisville).

 
Posted : February 18, 2025 12:49 pm

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@olemanriver 

How/where do I find my "regional geodetic advisor" - never heard of such a person.

 
Posted : February 18, 2025 12:50 pm
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@scott-in-indianapolis https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/ADVISORS/

Here you go. 

 
Posted : February 18, 2025 1:15 pm
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@scott-in-indianapolis  They can help if you need the data sheet and are having a hard time on the website finding that data. You will need to go through USACE for any of there regulations regarding that area. Hope that helps. I think you have everything now a NGS contact and the USACE contact info. remember its the govt so be patient as we use to say smokem if you gottem and pack a lunch. I did a quick look on NGS website and saw many old CGS survey BM ;s around that area without more info than a elevation stamp I did not spend but a few moments looking and didnt see right away any BM with that elevation on it but I have seen that info not match the actual data sheets either. I bet it is one of the old L or M line runs though.

 
Posted : February 18, 2025 1:27 pm
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@scott-in-indianapolis https://usmart.sec.usace.army.mil/w/map?filters=%5B%5D&lat=39.12221680541634&lon=-86.52564119318964&zoom=9.882220158842811   here is a USACE mark search it also has NGS mons and you might get lucky there as well finding more info on that mon.

 
Posted : February 18, 2025 1:33 pm
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@olemanriver 

Thanks for the info - I appreciate your help.

 
Posted : February 18, 2025 1:40 pm

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@scott-in-indianapolis   Anytime.  Glad to. When I see your name Hoosier I cannot help but remembering watching that movie a million times as a kid. A poor boy from MS . Now I will have to break out some popcorn and watch it again tonight or tomorrow.  Happy hunting. I hope you find what you need. Sometimes finding old marks are time consuming but worth the fun. Don't discount some of those geocaching folks either I was looking for an old mark on a military base once and new there were some geocaching folks that ran around on there lunch breaks. One of them had taken a picture of a mark they found and it had not been found in years. Once i saw the photo i new exactly where it was and recovered it and sent all the info in to NGS as it had been marked not found for many years.  Of course that can go the other way as well. But use all your resources for sure.

 
Posted : February 18, 2025 1:47 pm
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I would still go back and find the deed to the USA, but here are what appear to be some lake property maps that are online -

https://www.co.monroe.in.us/topic/subtopic.php?topicid=269&structureid=72

 
Posted : February 18, 2025 2:52 pm