> I never have quite perfected the use of an "architect scale". Some kind of inches = something BS. I kind of can handle a "metric scale", but that is another vulcan mind altering experience. But I really have to look at it all with guilded mindset.
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> Why in the world anybody would plot something that is not the atypical 1"= 10, 20, 30, 40, or 50... or some expanded version thereof is beyond my old timer comprehension.
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> 1"=25'. WFT is that. 1"=150'. Again, WTF is that. There are three sides on an engineers scale, with 6 options. Pick one... then use that number for your next lottery ticket.
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> jeez oh pete.... I can't wait to retire
A agree also.
Since a typical engineers scale has all those you mentioned, plus 1" = 60', those are the scales that I stick with.
From there, you also have 1" = 100', 200' etc.
1" = 1000', 2000' etc.
And with various sheet sizes available, there's plenty of flexibility while avoiding oddball scales.
In fact, although most Hawaii lands don't fall under the Land Court system, almost everyone follows the map scale requirement followed by the Land Court for all submitted maps.
Rule 101. SURVEYS, DESCRIPTIONS AND MAPS.
(4) ...and the plat shall be drawn to one of the following scales: 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 feet to the inch, or any power of ten times the above mentioned scales. Letters I and O shall not be used to designate lots and when letters are combined with numbers, I and O shall be skipped. A hyphen or dash shall not be used between degrees, minutes or seconds or between courses and distances...
"Appropriate Scale"
> In these days of copied, scanned, faxed and PDF'ed drawings, does the original scale have that much meaning anymore?
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> That being said, I only use the standard 10,20,30,40,50,60 engineer's scales.
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> I always hated 80 scale plans (until I got an 80 scale for the drafting machine).
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> Architects scales don't make any sense to me!
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> Jeff
I found my 80 scale really handy when using 1/2 sized engineering plans. A lot are drawn at 50 scale, so that's easy, but plenty are drawn at 40 scale, which makes having an 80 well worth it.
It was a party chief looking for corners who discovered that a distance was annotated about 10 feet off by slapping a pocket scale on the plat after searching high and low for one of these corners:
Original plat:
Corrected plat:
The plat was drafted at a “standard” scale and the surveyor had one of those flat two-sided scales in his vest pocket. The corner was found and measured, the original surveyor was notified, checked his records and confirmed that the line's distance was 322.74' (the 312.32' label was from an earlier iteration of lot layouts and didn't get updated in the cad drawing)and an affidavit of correction was recorded to change the plat's information.
This plat also had a graphic scale bar, which I’m going to make a habit of using what with surveys being printed out from digital images now.
"Apropriate Scale" - Mike
Good going Mike!
I am facing a similar situation, misclosure by 7 feet north and 4 feet east. To compound the matter, it's a deed..no scale on those suckers.
Excellent example of why scale is still important. I don’t understand why anyone would not put a scale on every plat. It takes very little effort.
That tears it! I'm using 1:=150' scale so it looks good.
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I always put the graphic on it anyway just because you can use a toothpick or piece of paper cut to length and scale a resized map.
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Also, I realize I'm commenting seven years after the last post. Welcome back to 2012 all you old fellas who subscribed to this post.
I go by 10's.
10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 110 120 130 140 150 160 170 180 190 200, etc.
Keep dem realtor on edge!
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1" = 10 rods might fit your plan sheet better.
While I agree that a scale appropriate for a legible end product is a good thing I cannot tell you the last time i actually used a scale to measure something on a printed document.?ÿ Honestly it has been years.
Before CAD I would adhere to whatever size of paper it took to show everything clearly and contain all the information in a proper form.
With CAD it is posible to draw to any scale whatsoever. I do make it rounded off to 5 or 10.
Do not think I would ever come up with 1"=400vrs or 1"=50rds or 1"=123'.
Gentlemen! Have you no shame? Multiples of engineering scales only, i.e., 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 100, 200, 300, etc.?ÿ
I've got a smart alecky fake subdivision drawing I created a while back when I was ticked off. The vicinity map shows "sun mercury venus project site mars" and the scale is 1"=0.0 lightyears
A ruler works at any scale.?ÿ
I agree, an appropriate scale is a scale that allows legible presentation of the required information while using a reasonable number of sheets.
I have never owned an engineer's scale. A ruler works for all scales, but maybe expecting users of a plat to have 4th grade math skills is too much? But more importantly, a cadastral survey that requires someone to measure something on the paper has more serious problems than the choice of scale.?ÿ
I agree, an appropriate scale is a scale that allows legible presentation of the required information while using a reasonable number of sheets.
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Agreed.
For us, it goes something like:
-choose paper size (usually 11x17, 22x34, or 24x36)
-place viewport in paperspace layout
-align and roughly zoom so that everything that needs to be shown is shown
-drop down the list of scales and choose what works (ie. 1:100, 1:150...1:750--though, I live in metric world so things are different)
-if a proper level of detail can be shown, you're done
-if a proper level of detail isn't shown, choose a scale that does work and split the site into layouts as required.
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That being said, the local DOT (ie. the MTO) is a bit more fussy:
"2.2.5 Scale
Plans shall be metric and drawn to standard metric scales, for example 1:250, 1:500, 1:1000,
1:2000, 1:4000 or 1:5000, unless otherwise specified. "
http://learning.aols.org/aols/MTO_Legal_Survey_Manual_Vol1_Legal_Plans_2010.pdf
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But I disagree with their statement on text size (I prefer L60 for existing, L80 for proposed) so what do I know.
"2.2.6 Text Size
Plan text size shall not be smaller than equivalent to size 80 Leroy template. Only SIMPLEX.SHX
AutoCAD font shall be used in the returned AutoCAD file."
