We use our trucks to block a lane like everyone does. But when we have to run up and down a busy road a lot shooting paint stripes or picking a lot of manholes, I throw up my warning signs and rent one of those led arrow boards and tow behind my truck or even my Polaris ranger. Our traffic company charges me $60 for a day. Hell of a deal.
Everything is refutable one way or another, just ask an Attorney.
Maybe it's futable the first time, too.
Yeah, what about words like that, huh? If it's refutable, then it must have been futable once upon a time.
I sometimes invoke the words overwhelmed, underwhelmed and whelmed. There must be a state of whelmness from which to go over or under, right?
Holy Cow, post: 356970, member: 50 wrote: Yeah, what about words like that, huh? If it's refutable, then it must have been futable once upon a time.
I sometimes invoke the words overwhelmed, underwhelmed and whelmed. There must be a state of whelmness from which to go over or under, right?
Why just the other day my friend said he recovered a monument. I said why didn't you leave it uncovered so I could see it too?
Holy Cow, post: 356970, member: 50 wrote: There must be a state of whelmness from which to go over or under, right?
WA-ID Surveyor, post: 356771, member: 6294 wrote: If it is a low volume residential type road we'll just get it done. However, on a busy road we'll just sub out appropriate traffic control for 1/2 day and drive around to the pertinent mons and tie them. This puts the burden of safety on the approved traffic control consultant and alows the crew to safely and efficiently tie the monuments.
A firm I worked for in the Renton area was fined $25,000 by OSHA in the 1990s for dipping a catch basin that was in the flow line of city street because we didn't have appropriate safety measuures in place. True Story.
Yep. In this day and age, I think that centerline monuments need to be rethought. I am not sure what would replace them, since the centerline is the safest place for the monument, if not for the surveyor.
dmyhill, post: 357083, member: 1137 wrote: Yep. In this day and age, I think that centerline monuments need to be rethought. I am not sure what would replace them, since the centerline is the safest place for the monument, if not for the surveyor.
Well, a centerline monument in the street of a subdivision where the traffic is only local residential is great. And section corners that are in the middle of two intersecting county roads out in the middle of nowhere that maybe get 2 cars per hours, those are fine as well. The problem I see is when the development of a nearby city encompasses these old county roads, they get widened, signalized, and highly improved, and that poor monument (assuming it was perpetuated through this process) is now out in the middle of a very busy intersection. And sometimes, due to the peculiarities of development, that monument is no longer the centerline-centerline intersection of the road improvements. And now you have to stand in the middle of the lane to occupy that monument, probably one or more of the left-turn lanes as well. I think this is where centerline monuments become problematic.
skwyd, post: 357110, member: 6874 wrote: Well, a centerline monument in the street of a subdivision where the traffic is only local residential is great. And section corners that are in the middle of two intersecting county roads out in the middle of nowhere that maybe get 2 cars per hours, those are fine as well. The problem I see is when the development of a nearby city encompasses these old county roads, they get widened, signalized, and highly improved, and that poor monument (assuming it was perpetuated through this process) is now out in the middle of a very busy intersection. And sometimes, due to the peculiarities of development, that monument is no longer the centerline-centerline intersection of the road improvements. And now you have to stand in the middle of the lane to occupy that monument, probably one or more of the left-turn lanes as well. I think this is where centerline monuments become problematic.
That is the monument pictured to a T.
What would be a good alternative? Government points referencing the monument with published information about them makes the most sense, but is not practical in the county survey world that is Palm Beach County. That would take 15 years and by then the references would have to be referenced. Do any of you set your own reference points or offset baselines?
McCracker, post: 357151, member: 9299 wrote: That is the monument pictured to a T.
What would be a good alternative? Government points referencing the monument with published information about them makes the most sense, but is not practical in the county survey world that is Palm Beach County. That would take 15 years and by then the references would have to be referenced. Do any of you set your own reference points or offset baselines?
For the last decade or so that is what our State DOT/PF has been doing. Typically a recorded ROS with published coordinates for random inter-visible control points out of harms way, along with recovered monuments and centerline monument data. They typically contain translation and scaling metadata for conversion to State Plane from their published LDP coordinates. I'm a huge fan of these for obvious reasons. The biggest is I'm not fond of playing chicken with traffic. Whenever I get a project and have one of these to get me going, I am one happy camper. I scan the coordinates off of the .pdf into excel and after checking them for errors, get them into SP and hit the ground running, all the while staying clear of Joe Blow checking his FB status at 70 mph. No idea if this is being done in other parts of the country, but any time your tax dollars are being spent on a major road project, IMO they should be. There's really no excuse in this day and age for relying exclusively on centerline monuments in the middle of busy highways and intersections.
McCracker, post: 353334, member: 9299 wrote: He claims "There is no way my house is not parallel to the property line and I will not pay until it is proved otherwise."
"And there will be no way that you will be refinancing or selling until you change your mind because I'll be filing a lien first thing tomorrow morning."
So, just how much would someone have to pay their doctor to get a reversal on a terminal cancer diagnosis? Give me the answer I want or no money for you.
I have used off duty police, not so much for traffic control as for awareness. Blue lights tend to get the attention of folks better than a few cones. The last time I used them it cost $35 per hour I think, with a 4 hour minimum. Money WELL spent.
Andy
Dave Karoly, post: 356967, member: 94 wrote: Everything is refutable one way or another, just ask an Attorney.
Maybe it's futable the first time, too.
Your logic is irrefutable.
