ppm, post: 403288, member: 6808 wrote: Did the centerline move?
No.
ppm, post: 403288, member: 6808 wrote: In 1995 a new subdivision happens to the South, and guess where the centerline is... 30 feet from both ROW lines.
That is wrong, the new subdivision should have shown the original c/l of the 50 r/w and a 10' additional r/w reservation on their plat. The c/l of the r/w is 35' East of the the East line of the new plat.
RADAR, post: 403297, member: 413 wrote: The right-of way, on the north side of a line, doesn't have to be the same width as the right-of-way to the south of that line; I see this all the time.
Me too, the centerline of R/W does not move, and it does not have to be equidistant from the R/W lines. The C/L of "construction" may be different from C/L of R/W though, and it too does not have to be equidistant.
The Roman legal maxim is:
legalis medium centrum linea recta constructio non esse idem.
In English:
the legal center line is not necessarily the same as the construction center line.
I once laid out a catch basin from a 'center line' my employer had established. The Plat he had showed a 25 foot half street. The front pins were gone. No problem, look on the other side. Finds a bunch and sets up the line 25 feet over. Only problem is that Plat had given a 33 foot half street. His chicken scratch on the plans could not be deciphered to determine this, and he had demanded I set on his 'center line' and get it staked.
That catch basin is my one mistake I'm aware of that was memorialized in concrete. Now that I'm licensed I just record my mistakes...
JB, post: 403348, member: 346 wrote: Let's add some fun...
In NC, the call to the centerline of a road is considered a "natural" monument.
Does the property line move with the road or are all road movements avulsive?
thebionicman, post: 403417, member: 8136 wrote: That catch basin is my one mistake I'm aware of that was memorialized in concrete.
This one is mine...LOL
Actually, it's the curb that's wrong, I didn't catch the angle point on the plan...
Dougie circa 1992...
I'll give a nickle to the first one that can tell me what town it's in!
WA 161 in South Hill?
Ding ding ding...!
We have a winner!
RADAR, post: 403560, member: 413 wrote: Ding ding ding...!
We have a winner!
you're kidding me...
paden cash, post: 403554, member: 20 wrote: WA 161 in South Hill?
Ding ding ding...
We have a winner!
$$$:party:$$$
:bacon:
paden cash, post: 403561, member: 20 wrote: you're kidding me...
In 1992 it was South Hill (Unincorporated Pierce county) It was annexed into Puyallup in 2008. Some folks call it South Meridian Street but it's also SR 161.
RADAR, post: 403563, member: 413 wrote: In 1992 it was South Hill (Unincorporated Pierce county) It was annexed into Puyallup in 2008. Some folks call it South Meridian Street but it's also SR 161.
When I was with the highway department the aerial department use to bring me stray contact prints to see if I could identify them (before Google Earth...hell, before the internet) and I always seemed to have a knack for identifying stuff.
I figured it was on an urban highway route so I just glanced at your "local" area on GE. The shadows indicated to me it the route was running in a northerly direction. When I zoomed in on 'street view' on Meridian I noticed the same type of rolled curbs and inlets. Lucky guess. I should have been at the casino...;)
aliquot, post: 403538, member: 2486 wrote: Does the property line move with the road or are all road movements avulsive?
That's the rub. I've never had a straight answer.
But, as natural monuments allegedly only move over time, the addition of a turn lane shouldn't move the line. Right?
"Centerline" is the name of the main road across the island. St. Thomas also has a Centerline Road, a main road that I worked on rebuilding. Of course there is no such thing as a highway layout in the Virgin Islands. This is not to create confusion. It is to preserve confusion.
Larry Best, post: 403581, member: 763 wrote: "Centerline" is the name of the main road across the island. St. Thomas also has a Centerline Road, a main road that I worked on rebuilding. Of course there is no such thing as a highway layout in the Virgin Islands. This is not to create confusion. It is to preserve confusion.
Does Charlotte Amalie ever get uncrowded? When there several cruise ships in port that place is worse than a madhouse. 😉
FL/GA PLS., post: 403582, member: 379 wrote: Does Charlotte Amalie ever get uncrowded? When there several cruise ships in port that place is worse than a madhouse. 😉
I suspect 1/4 of the population would disappear overnight if they banned abrasive timeshare salesmen. I threatened to toss one in the harbor about a dozen years ago.
FL/GA PLS., post: 403582, member: 379 wrote: Does Charlotte Amalie ever get uncrowded? When there several cruise ships in port that place is worse than a madhouse. 😉
The WICO dock now holds 4 ships. The Crown Bay dock holds 2. Some of these ships have over 4K passengers. VI Port Authority plans a new finger pier for 2 more ships. The 2 lane highway through town cant be widened between the old fort and the Legislature building, So the plan is to build a 4 lane highway in the harbor.
ppm, post: 403313, member: 6808 wrote: My opinion is that we just need to not be so loose with the word centerline (or center line). As soon as any dedication happens it either: (1) moves the centerline, or (2) makes it no longer in the center.
How about if we as surveyors are more descriptive with the centerline on our maps. So if the original r/w of way was described based on a cl description then simply say it as such. Cl of X street per document xxxxx. In my opinion it is important to keep the original cl a matter of record for future reversionary rights if ever needed. It is also a good method of tabulating who did what so that equity can be applied when agencies demand more r/w. My 2 cents, Jp
Kent McMillan, post: 403358, member: 3 wrote: The obvious problem isn't referring to the centerline of the right-of-way, but neglecting to mention the width of the right-of-way. That is a very easy fix. Or, in the case of state highways where the centerline is shown upon a specific plan, it would be something along the lines of "the centerline of the right-of-way of Ranch-to-Market Highway 666 as shown upon the District Engineer's right-of-way map dated July, 1963 on file in the Texas Department of Transportion and Other Stuff" with extra credit given for reference to the instrument of record by which the right-of-way was acquired in the area of interest.
The local power company and the local telephone company here both had boilerplate easement documents for strip easements for several decades that had no width...
I'm kinda of the opinion the word "centerline" is just about as precise as the word "north" in a description and usually only confounds the efforts of those attempting a futile retracement.
I use to cringe when I would send a crew to a job within a 100 year old platted area (with only R/W widths shown and NO centerline) and pull up and see them out in the middle of the street with the pin finder....
