From the NH Shoreland Permit application form:
• Whenever possible, please submit a pre-existing conditions plan and a post-construction conditions plan.
I guess I'm not sure what a Pre-existing conditions plan is. Does that mean what the site was like before the big bang? Is pre-existing even a word?
The good thing about these forms are they are completely editable by the user. I always thought of sneaking in some extra wording or deleting some conditions in the fine print to see if anyone notices.
> From the NH Shoreland Permit application form:
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> • Whenever possible, please submit a pre-existing conditions plan and a post-construction conditions plan.
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> I guess I'm not sure what a Pre-existing conditions plan is. Does that mean what the site was like before the big bang? Is pre-existing even a word?
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Ha! That's a good one, Perry! Pre-existing... Like when there was nothing? As in, before what now exists? I'm with you. I really hope this word doesn't "exist." Maybe the word itself is "pre-existing" ...
hmmm.
;o)
JBS
> From the NH Shoreland Permit application form:
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> • Whenever possible, please submit a pre-existing conditions plan and a post-construction conditions plan.
>
> I guess I'm not sure what a Pre-existing conditions plan is. Does that mean what the site was like before the big bang? Is pre-existing even a word?
>
> The good thing about these forms are they are completely editable by the user. I always thought of sneaking in some extra wording or deleting some conditions in the fine print to see if anyone notices.
In CA we refer to it as a Pre or Post Construction (not existing) plan or survey. For a right-of-way project, you would do the preliminary boundary survey w/ an aerial topo (typically), showing the existing rights-of-way and property lines and found monuments used to established those lines along with deed references, names of owners, easements, etc. Then after construction of new improvements are finished the new RW lines are laid in to show the areas that were acquired and new easements acquired and any new monuments that are set.
Seems pretty simple to me. What is the site like before any construction and what impact will the new construction have onto the site. Drainage and such. Pretty standard stuff in Okie.
I think they want to know if your site has ever had cancer or diverticulitis--damn health insurance companies are into everything nowadays.
It's a funny way to write it for sure.
We have to do them in various towns around here so that the average lot topo "plane" can be defined in order to determine maximum allowable height prior to construction.
Deral, You're thinking of a "pre-construction" plan.
JBS
I don't think so JB. We do plans that show the current runoff or other things and then show the impact of the changes (from construction) and what they will have on the runoff. And usually with our plans to mitigate the changes.
Maybe I'm looking at this too simple but it seems to me to be the reason for the wording. What is it now and how with you impact it.
Wouldn't that be "pre-construction" and "construction plan" and "post-construction" or "as-built?"
"Pre-existing" - What did not exist, before it existed...?
;o)
JBS
Just seems to me that pre-existing is the current conditions before any changes by construction. Nothing all that sinister or such.
> From the NH Shoreland Permit application form:
>
> • Whenever possible, please submit a pre-existing conditions plan and a post-construction conditions plan.
>
> I guess I'm not sure what a Pre-existing conditions plan is. Does that mean what the site was like before the big bang? Is pre-existing even a word?
>
> The good thing about these forms are they are completely editable by the user. I always thought of sneaking in some extra wording or deleting some conditions in the fine print to see if anyone notices.
Change the wording to" existing condition plan on month/day/year"
It would be more clear to call it "existing conditions as of date of survey" or "pre-construction conditions" but I don't see why the word "pre-existing" is any harder to interpret than a case of diabetes that exists before a health insurance policy is written.
Here's a thought.
There's an existing pit on the property.
It used to be an arsenic pit for dipping cattle.
Pre-existing conditions would be: There used to be an arsenic pit on site.
> Here's a thought.
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> There's an existing pit on the property.
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> It used to be an arsenic pit for dipping cattle.
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> Pre-existing conditions would be: There used to be an arsenic pit on site.
Perry could always give them a picture of a glacier....
> Perry could always give them a picture of a glacier....
Probably sufficient to just go back far enough to document the earliest human habitation.
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> Just seems to me that pre-existing is the current conditions before any changes by construction. Nothing all that sinister or such.
We usually just call it an Existing Conditions Plan. The prefix PRE- is redundant.
Now, come on, fellas. We've all filled out forms at a doctor's office listing pre-existing conditions. That way our insurance company can exclude them from our coverage.
Sure. It is a word and it has a definition: existing prior to..
Don
Perry,
What is the permit for? Are they looking at ground disturbance to see if a SWPPP needs to be written?
Everyone has done a good job of beating up "pre-existing" so I'll not pile on.
pre·ex·ist - To exist before (something).
The something in this case being whatever the permit is for.
Seems simple enough to me.