I've been surveying for about 20 years total. My youngest son has been surveying for about 5 years. This morning he called me from up around Tulsa and was asking details about typing a "100 year knot". I told him how I completed the knot and he said that's what he had done as well. Funny what your kids call you about some days.
Are others of you familiar with the "100 year knot"?
T. Nelson - SAM
That's a new one on me. Although I've certainly found knots of flagging clinging to wire.
New one on me also, I'll have to give it a try.
I have never seen that as well, could just be a Central Texas thing.?ÿ I have found very old flagging with just the knot left, after the horses, cows, and birds ate the flagging.?ÿ
Do you flag every corner like that, or just those this was a hard corner to find let me help the next Surveyor out and mark it so it will last?
I have also notice less and less Survey crews are putting the knot on the side with the corner.
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I haven't ever heard of it, either.?ÿ I assume that it's meant to last "100 years"?
I was taught to place flagging not just at corners, but along fence lines, in chain link fences, etc where ever there was no good reference points( i.e. carsonite marker was mowed down, etc) indicating a monument or pin below and or close, so we or any other survey crew could easily find the location. Lots of flaggin, and multiple knots, never had a name for it. I usually find the older flagging left behind and dutifully refresh it for the future in case I have to come back too. Same thing but different:?ÿ I also leave flagging in the hole of the section corners that I dig up to give early indication for follow on surveys so they know they are in the right spot.?ÿ Nobody likes digging through road base or swampy mud with no hope, or maybe they do......?ÿ ;)?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ
I have also notice less and less Survey crews are putting the knot on the side with the corner
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Another lost art
I have never seen that as well, could just be a Central Texas thing.?ÿ I have found very old flagging with just the knot left, after the horses, cows, and birds ate the flagging.?ÿ
Do you flag every corner like that, or just those this was a hard corner to find let me help the next Surveyor out and mark it so it will last?
I have also notice less and less Survey crews are putting the knot on the side with the corner.
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I've always used one of these knots when the ROW marker (specifically) was in the fence where a corner wasn't really evident. If there's a fence corner at the location, then I'll flag the post with the knot being over the corner recovered.
T. Nelson - SAM
I haven't ever heard of it, either.?ÿ I assume that it's meant to last "100 years"?
That's the idea. I have seen them last. The cattle or horses may nibble at the "tail" but usually they can't get ahold of the portion of flagging closest to the wire.
T. Nelson - SAM
That is a new one to me and similar to the one that is being taught at Tyler Junior College Surveying courses.
It is tied on the barb of the fence by starting by tying a simple knot over the barb and then continuing to wrap and tie a knot one each side of the barb no less than 7 times and finishing off with a square or granny knot.
Critters don't nibble on the barbs and in the Texas sun the wad of flag will heat shrink fit to the barb and last for years.
What I've started doing the last couple years is to carry a few tin shiners with me, and I'll roll one around a strand of barbed wire or chainlink along with the flagging knot (and yes, knots on the side with the pin), then dot it with spray paint. It also helps when in cattle fields, where using flagging isn't always a good idea.
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Also, might just be me, but if the monument is more than a foot off the fence, then my number of knots corresponds to the number of feet off the fence.
We may need a YouTube tutorial for this one.
Also, might just be me, but if the monument is more than a foot off the fence, then my number of knots corresponds to the number of feet off the fence.
Man, you are like Survey level Expert with knots equal to the distance. I like that.
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Dang, that pic looks like some sort of lanyard they tried to teach you how to braid at ??Summer Camp? aka ??Summer Prison?, lousy food with chocolate water your parents sent you to so as get rid of you for 2 weeks or so. (Unless you can escape earlier)?ÿ ??ÿ
I'll have to see if that one is in the Ashley Book of Knots I bought 40 years ago...
The only superior evidence is that which you haven't yet found.
My son did this one today for an NGS monument being referenced.?ÿ
T. Nelson - SAM
Unless I missed an actual statement of it, and I'm offering it on behalf of all the kindred in this thread, Attaboy!
That's for the life-reflection and pride I'm sure that call brought. And for the young'un.
and, yes, knots toward the monument (even if I've never heard of a hunnert year knot).
That is a new one to me and similar to the one that is being taught at Tyler Junior College Surveying courses.
It is tied on the barb of the fence by starting by tying a simple knot over the barb and then continuing to wrap and tie a knot one each side of the barb no less than 7 times and finishing off with a square or granny knot.
Critters don't nibble on the barbs and in the Texas sun the wad of flag will heat shrink fit to the barb and last for years.
That was the technique I was taught more than 30 years ago.
Why would you want a point to stay marked up for 100 years? Where is the job security in that? We are surveying a parcel tomorrow that we did 10 years ago. The points were clearly marked when the previous survey was done but the owner has lost the positions. She could of put t-posts next to them all but didn't get around to it...not my problem. She is happy to pay again.
During the recession, I jokingly thought about offering an option of a "survey maintenance" plan as an add-on to a survey. For a fee, every so many years, you would go back and flag up the points to keep them fresh.?ÿ
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