Last week I submitted a proposal for 60,000 feet of strip topo for sanitary sewer collection system improvements. Today I received several emails inquiring about my capabilities to provide preferred deliverables. I am currently using Carlson Survey/Civil 2016 with intellicad and AutoCAD 2002. The deliverables such as points and surface models are to be compatible with Civil 3d, and also required are multi leaders for all labels. I believe an ascii points file will be sufficient for points. The surface file exported as a LandXML file, and the drawing file should be compatible, but I don't think I can get around the multi leaders.
If I am successful in aquiring this project, I am thinking about getting a subscription to Civil 3d for a year or for the duration of the project, but I don't know about the learning curve. The project is scheduled to begin on April 1 and to be completed by June 13.
Any insight would be appreciated
Multi leaders is a vanilla autocad feature if that's all you need no sense in biting off the whole Civil 3d learning curve. (which is a very heavy lift for one project).
Team up with someone here that can help with that portion of the project if need be. Just a suggestion.
I'm facing a similar situation: the client has asked for C3D feature lines, but I don't use C3D. Will they be able to convert vanilla 3DPolylines into usable feature lines?
Jim,
Yes it is really easy to convert plines into feature lines.
Ed
"use multileaders for all labels" Not to sure what is the benefit of multileaders other then being one entity. Most of the text I use does not need a leader.
I thought I remember a blog where someone was complaining about people using outdated software when exchanging files. Something like having to dumb down their drawings.
Maybe someone on this site can educate me on it benefits.
c3d labels DO have leaders if in a 'drag state'
c3d labels currently cannot have more than one leader
the MLEADER command in autocad is different, it can have multiple leaders from on piece of text
there big difference in drafting time using one or the other
I would get specifics on exactly what they mean by multileaders
Personally I like c3d labels, I create a blank label if I want a multi leader
billvhill, post: 361055, member: 8398 wrote: Last week I submitted a proposal for 60,000 feet of strip topo for sanitary sewer collection system improvements. Today I received several emails inquiring about my capabilities to provide preferred deliverables. I am currently using Carlson Survey/Civil 2016 with intellicad and AutoCAD 2002. The deliverables such as points and surface models are to be compatible with Civil 3d, and also required are multi leaders for all labels. I believe an ascii points file will be sufficient for points. The surface file exported as a LandXML file, and the drawing file should be compatible, but I don't think I can get around the multi leaders.
If I am successful in aquiring this project, I am thinking about getting a subscription to Civil 3d for a year or for the duration of the project, but I don't know about the learning curve. The project is scheduled to begin on April 1 and to be completed by June 13.
Any insight would be appreciated
Im assuming if they are being specific about Civil3d then they should also have a template that they can provide. If so you can use the style of leaders they already have set up.
They did send me a Survey Drawing Standards dwg file, it has line types, layers, a few symbols, a point and a multileader, of course I could not do anything with the multileader or the point.
If I list the multileader, this is what I get
ACAD_PROXY_ENTITY Layer: "E-TEXT"
Space: Model space
Handle = E68
DXF name: MULTILEADER
Class name: AcDbMLeader
Application name: ACDB_MLEADER_CLASS
If I list the point
ACAD_PROXY_ENTITY Layer: "E-PNTS"
Space: Model space
Handle = E99
DXF name: AECC_COGO_POINT
Class name: AeccDbCogoPoint
Application name: AeccLand100
Product Desc: AutoCAD Civil 3D
Company: Autodesk,Inc.
WEB Address: www.autodesk.com
I sometimes tell clients who want to micromanage me that I will adhere to their standards for an extra 10%. Otherwise I will perform my work the way I see fit to keep my productivity high and their cost down. Most see the logic in this, although I did have a DOT pay an extra 15% to meet their CAD standards. They didn't think their folks had the skill to convert things...
I was a little peeved, when they asked for this after the proposal process, but before they have awarded the project.
I had an issue last year and Aaron Michalenko from EPS group stepped up from this board and was able to provide the files I needed. We're doing it again this year on an extension of the same project.
Dtp
billvhill, post: 361369, member: 8398 wrote: I was a little peeved, when they asked for this after the proposal process, but before they have awarded the project.
Rightly so - that's improper!
billvhill, post: 361369, member: 8398 wrote: I was a little peeved, when they asked for this after the proposal process, but before they have awarded the project.
If it were me I wouldn't do anything till after they award the bid. If you get the job, adding the new requirements justify a change order. At that point you can "negotiate" any addition costs they need to pay you to meet the requirement. If you don't get the bid based on you not agreeing to the new requirements, you can challenge the whole bidding process. (I'm assuming this is some sort of government entity you are dealing with.)
Of course, both of the above paths have there pitfalls. How eager are you to work for this client?
I was awarded the Project. Is there a difference between a multileader made in AutoCAD or one made in Civil 3d?
A multileader is an autocad (plain vanilla) annotation entity that has a specific set of styles and style parameters and is available in any autocad vertical application without the use of object enablers it is basically a piece of multi-line text with an attached leader or leaders, they are very convenient for drafting. They can also be annotative in the way that text and blocks can be annotative in any autocad application meaning that they will re-scale based on the current view scale in model space or the view-port annotation scale setting when being viewed through a view-port. Being fully annotative means that they will not only re-scale but can have different locations and/or rotations depending on the scale that they are viewed at. If you haven't worked with annotative text, blocks and mleaders and you do much work at multiple scales (like cutting out details) you are really missing out on some powerful functionality. Civil 3D object labels have a leader component which can be either visible or not, depending on the style, when the label is dragged away from it's home location. Civil 3D objects and their labels have a more primitive form of annotative behavior. They only re-scale based on the current view scale in model space or the view-port plot scale setting, not the annotation scale setting, and can only have a single location and/or rotation for all possible view/plot scales. This makes them somewhat less useful for viewing at multiple scales and/or view-port rotations since as you can imagine the ideal location of a label at 500 scale would not be ideal for a 20 scale view of the same area.
As you can see from the listing that you did of the two objects in question these are two different objects that reside in entirely different parts of the drawing database
Class name: AcDbMLeader is the mleader object and it resides in and is governed by the rules of the AcDb (autocad database)
Class name: AeccDbCogoPoint is a civil 3d cogo point and it resides in and is governed by the rules of the AeccDb (Civil 3D database)
I hope this was helpful.
Regards
RRain
Thanks for the explanation Randy
Bill;
I'd be happy to help you out producing a suitable deliverable, I do freelance cad from time to time and my rates are reasonable and my product is impeccable. References are available upon request. Feel free to contact me if you are interested or if you just need some advice about civil 3d.
Regards;
RRain
