That was my first thought as well. Maybe one is blind and the other deaf.
Reminds me of seagrass surveys I had to do back in the old days for dock permits.
Not possible to use radial ties with total station ?
I'd be bringing to clients attention that if $s are to be saved, areas needing 'float' measurements would be best with client's 'floatation device' plus driver.
Cheers,
Derek
I can see it away from work.
Sounds like a "Float Solution" to me!
Williwaw, post: 339717, member: 7066 wrote: When the water gets any where near going over the top of my chest waders, it's time to find a boat.
I think they had a skiff available, but getting it from the truck to where they were cross sectioning the bayou was apparently a less attractive option than jumping into that mess. Personally, I'm not fond of sharing a habitat with water moccasins and banana spiders.
See my avatar picture for my answer.
Receiver and data collector can both survive a dip. If either sank below about 2' I'd probably have it checked.
They are obviously having too much fun and should donate their pay and or fees to funds to keep our waterways clean. 😉
At one place I worked if you were within 6 feet of water 3 or more feet deep you were required to wear a PFD (Personal Flotation Device). OSHA has no set standard BUT if something were to go wrong you'd better have a company policy.
Andy
Nate FTW!
They are obviously having too much fun and should donate their pay and or fees to funds to keep our waterways clean. 😉
having fun and doing proper work are 2 different things. Those guys are violating most company's safety regulations.
most survey equipment are water resistant and not water proof. it can withstand rains but not a swim underwater. If those guys slipped then the receiver & DC will suffer some damage. Not to mention losing all the data that were stored in them.
I see a multipath problem if the are surveying.
They could be standing on the truck and just trying to keep the equipment dry.
I would not fire them if their truck is like my truck.
Jim Frame, post: 339713, member: 10 wrote: 1926.106(a)
Employees working over or near water, where the danger of drowning exists, shall be provided with U.S. Coast Guard-approved life jacket or buoyant work vests.
1926.106(b)
Prior to and after each use, the buoyant work vests or life preservers shall be inspected for defects which would alter their strength or buoyancy. Defective units shall not be used.
1926.106(c)
Ring buoys with at least 90 feet of line shall be provided and readily available for emergency rescue operations. Distance between ring buoys shall not exceed 200 feet.
1926.106(d)
At least one lifesaving skiff shall be immediately available at locations where employees are working over or adjacent to water.
"where the danger of drowning exists"
common sense says No
If one of those guys is the guy making the payment on the equipment or has permission from the guy paying for the equipment, more power to him. If those two decided to do this and were not coerced, then I see no problem. I am very glad to be in a very small company where I can take all the dangerous chances I want, without the burden of "company policy". One of these days, one of those risky decisions may well be the end of me. If it is, then know that I died a free man. The notion of wearing a life preserver while standing one the shoreline of a lake is preposterous to me. These guys appear to be in water that is nearly over their head. No telling what is under the surface. Not too difficult to get tangled in roots or other sub surface tangles. It's a risk I wouldn't take personally (most likely). But I appreciate their freedom to do so.
MightyMoe, post: 339698, member: 700 wrote: I'd have to let them go, I mean no hard hat, no safety vest, I just can't tolerate that!!!
I once had a new hire refuse to carry cones out in traffic with the instrument man, who was preparing to set up there. Even though we had all the necessary safety equipment, he apparently didn't feel comfortable in traffic. If I remember correctly, his remark was something along the lines of, "you're crazy, I'm not going to stand in traffic!" I didn't push the issue. The last thing I want to do is force someone into an unsafe environment where they are not comfortable.
Some of the situations we get into as surveyors are pretty unique. How many people do you know that have had to run for their lives from an angry 1800 pound Santa Gertrudis bull? Or for that matter, possibly even dodged birdshot from the bull's owner's shotgun?
I don't want to start splitting hairs, but some of our work entails situations where the "required" safety equipment isn't feasible. I have been down inside concrete storm structures that technically would require atmosphere testing, forced ventilation and personnel harnesses. In years past I have also walked bridge beams without safety gear. As a young rodman I was "asked" by the party chief to venture out into a farm pond for some "bottom of pond" shots. As the water approached pocket-deep I slipped into a deep drop-off and began thrashing for my life...while the party chief was instructing the instrument man to "quick, get a shot!".
Anyway, we find ourselves in all sorts of situations not in the rule book. As some of the more "intelligent" humans that routinely belly crawl through moccasin-infested black water, or find ourselves 'inadvertently' rappelling down a forty-foot deep ravine (without any rappelling gear...), we need to use our noggins every day to keep us (and our employees) alive and well. And safety manuals are still no match for a good head and common sense.
Would I fire anybody for wading into a swollen neck deep crick for a stupid flowline shot? Probably not. While I agree it probably wasn't the smartest or safest thing to do with good equipment, we've all probably done far more dangerous things without thinking about it.
Dave Karoly, post: 339700, member: 94 wrote: I must be missing something?
What guys?
No picture, no link. Lee D's picture is visible.
I think you are being blocked.
My office is on the bank of the Willamette River, and I have a great view. Last summer, on a Friday, in the middle of an August heat wave, some kid who had been swimming sank to the bottom and couldn't be found. He, or rather his body, was floating on the surface when we came to work on Monday. So, yes. The danger of drowning exists. It shouldn't be poo poo'ed.
In Oklahoma I'd be worried about copperheads. In the south, I'd be worried about alligators. In the NW, I'd be worried about hypothermia, even in warm weather.
As for who would get fired, I think I would fire the project manager for not providing a boat.
These two appear to me to be staging for the photograph. I imagine that the photographer is on dry land and the two knuckleheads in the water are on their knees. Around here, several people die in a river accidents every year. Found trapped under some underwater junk, or not.
Fired? Probably not. Exhibiting poor judgement? Painfully yes. Personally they would have some explaining to do. I would give them a five-minute major and a game misconduct (couple of days off without pay followed by a couple of days waxing rigs and maintaining equipment and office chores) for wasting time and not utilizing good judgement. Trust is a big factor with me. If I cannot trust that you (while out of my sight) are conducting your business in a safe and professional way then you are not a good employee and likely a detriment to my interests.
