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(@norman-oklahoma)
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"After further review of the finish of the Daytona 500, NASCAR has determined that the finish ended under caution."

Argggg. The race ended under caution. Or perhaps the race finish occured under caution. "The finish ended"???ÿ The finish is not a noun. Hey, I know it's NASCAR, and grammer isn't exactly the most important thing about it, but when you are supposed to be a professional writer......

"...The 64-year-old died after his homemade?ÿsteam-powered?ÿrocket crash?ÿlanded moments after takeoff..."

Never mind the bit about "crash landed" . Either you crash or you land. You don't crash land. But that horse left the barn generations ago. I'm talking about dying after crashing. He died when he crashed, not after. Saying he died after crashing makes it seem that he crashed, got out and walked around, then died. This is a common one - I see examples everyday.?ÿ ?ÿ"Bill passes house after vote.." "Trees blown over after windstorm" and so on. Lazy.

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Posted : February 25, 2020 11:15 am
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Ain't we silly?

Pretty ugly was a phrase that amused my grandmother.?ÿ Just how ugly is pretty ugly?

Headline:?ÿ "Man shot in alley dies of his wound."?ÿ Precisely where on the man's body is the alley and why would that be a fatal location to be shot?

BTW, it is grammar, not grammer.?ÿ Spelling police to the rescue.

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Posted : February 25, 2020 11:39 am
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Let's eat Grandma.

vs

Let's eat, Grandma.

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Punctuation saves lives.

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 12:13 pm
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#grammer

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 12:24 pm
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Well, the finish example is valid and is a perfect example of the atrocious writing across all media outlets.?ÿ I'm sorry to say you're wrong about the crash example though.?ÿ It's being used as an adjective in that example and it's perfectly legitimate.?ÿ See here:?ÿ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crash

I did read a story about that flat earth lunatic who died during or after his steam rocket experiment.?ÿ From what I remember about it it seemed like maybe he was alive after the initial crash and then died from the internal injuries after being taken to a hospital.?ÿ In that case it's perfectly possible to die after crashing.

Anyway, I feel your grammar pain!

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 12:34 pm
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Posted by: @holy-cow

BTW, it is grammar, not grammer.?ÿ Spelling police to the rescue.

Hartman's Law of Prescriptivist Retaliation is confirmed again.?ÿ ?????ÿ

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Posted : February 25, 2020 12:53 pm
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Posted by: @norman-oklahoma

"...The 64-year-old died after his homemade?ÿsteam-powered?ÿrocket crash?ÿlanded moments after takeoff..."

Beware Flat Earthers - your Man crashed....

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 12:55 pm
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Perhaps if the earth was actually round he would have bounced off the side and lived.

 

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 1:09 pm
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Posted by: @norman-oklahoma

The race ended under caution. Or perhaps the race finish occured under caution. "The finish ended"??

I totally agree that is a bad construction.

The finish is not a noun.

but I think the finish can be used as a noun.?ÿ Just having "The" in front of it tends to indicate it is used as a noun.

He died when he crashed, not after.

He may have lived a few minutes after the crash.

"Bill passes house after vote.."

Definitely wrong.?ÿ It passed when the vote was completed.

"Trees blown over after windstorm"

Definitely wrong, unless there were two windstorms and only the second blew over trees.

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 1:27 pm
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@stlsurveyor

The fact that flat earthers are growing in number is yet more proof that Idiocracy is a documentary.

"A YouGov survey...suggested last year that as many as one in six Americans are not entirely certain the world is round..."

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How many surveyors subscribe to this point of view, I wonder??ÿ

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Posted : February 25, 2020 1:27 pm
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Posted by: @holy-cow

Pretty ugly was a phrase that amused my grandmother.?ÿ Just how ugly is pretty ugly?

I grew up hearing a lot of colloquial phrases that used "pretty" as a synonym for "moderately" or "considerably." Very strange.

Headline:?ÿ "Man shot in alley dies of his wound."?ÿ Precisely where on the man's body is the alley

I see nothing wrong with that statement. You have to try hard to misinterpret it.?ÿ "in alley" tells where he was when shot, and there is no reason to associate that with the location of the wound on the body.

There are, though, a lot of times when the descriptive clause gets disassociated from the thing being described, and some of them can be confusing.?ÿ If it had said "Man shot; dies of his wound in alley" then I would be with you.

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Posted : February 25, 2020 1:34 pm
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@rover83

 

I know a few that would say they do just to be ornery and then argue until the end about it.

 

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 1:43 pm
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how about 12 Noon - are there other noons?

or 9 AM in the morning.... is there a 9 PM in the morning?

it can make you crazy when you start paying attention.....

Ken

 

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 1:56 pm
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@rover83

If the world was flat cats would have have scooted everything not nailed down over the edge by now.

 

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 2:02 pm
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pre-drilled holes.

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Posted : February 25, 2020 2:09 pm
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To crash = verb

Crashing = verb

in the crash = noun

One could die in the crash or as a result of a crash but it was the object crashing (verb) into the body that caused the death.?ÿ I suppose one could witness a large object crashing (verb) close to them which caused them to become excited enough to bring on a heart attack.?ÿ In that case the crash (noun) led to the man's death.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 2:26 pm
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@rover83

 

https://billbennett.co.nz/writing-warning/

Very, vary true. 😮  

 

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 2:28 pm
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Well then, what about "lift up"? Is it possible to lift down?

JA, PLS SoCal

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 2:35 pm
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@jerry-attrick

Which leads to the question:  What do you actually do if you are told to lift up your heart?

If an elevator in England is a lift, what is it when it returns to the lowest floor?

 

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 2:40 pm
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pretty ugly

contemporary news

free gift

irregardless

where are we at

ƒ??ƒ??..

An endless list of words and phrases designed to make SWMBO cringe.?ÿ

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Posted : February 25, 2020 3:14 pm
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