This is the drawing that I made for the acquisition of a temporary construction permit on one of our projects: (paper size is 81/2 X 14)
Started reviewing the construction plan set and what do I see: (paper size is 11 X 17)
We don't have an issue if the design section wants to add our acquisition drawings to the plan set so that the contractors know areas outside the Right-of-Way that they have rights to work within, but all they should be doing is printing it at 1:1 on the 11 X 17 sheet or requesting that I do so, not making it fit to their border. While they didn't change the technical aspects they did change my drawing, i.e fonts, scales (you might also notice that the general property is at a larger scale than the detail view), yet state that I am the one who drew it, not just by relocating my title block, but by also entering my name in the Designed By and Drawn By spaces on their Title Block. I don't even know if they checked with the acquisition people or the Right-of-Way Chief to confirm that the permit was actually obtained or if they just checked in our drawing files and saw the drawing so just copied and added. When I spoke with the head of the design section, he saw no problem with this, so I asked if I could start changing design drawings, no response.
What's your opinion?
> What's your opinion?
What are the standards of practice in Alaska, if any? Are you required to sign and seal maps such as this? Are you professionally responsible (i.e. answerable to your licensing board) for either product? Does either fall within the practice of surveying as defined by Alaska law?
I'd say that my opinion depends upon the answers to a few of those questions.
Just so I understand, someone took your work and copied it into there drawing, and put your initials in the title block? This isn't a company you work for? If the answers are yes, I would be very upset.
Yes. At the very least they should have sent this to you for your review and input as they were assembling their document. This type of foolishness is what created the old saying about "the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing".
Yes it was our in-house design staff, but if they had simply copied and pasted into their title block, I probably wouldn't have an issue with it. My issue is that they altered it, which means I did not create that drawing, but they are implying that I did.
After re-reading your question they didn't put my initials in the one title block to the left, that was part of the original drawing, they added my name into the two parts of their title block.
Maybe it's more a matter of personal standards rather than State regulated standards, I've got no business copying and changing their drawings, why should they be able to change mine. No, these types of drawings are not required to be sealed (and if they were, I am not yet registered in Alaska, so it would have my supervisors seal, as it is he initialed the checked by spot on the original also, I will be interested in his reaction when he returns next week). As far as the definition of surveying, like I stated in my OP, they did not change the technical aspects just altered they way the drawing looks and stating that I created the drawing that is part of the plan set. I can go further and speculate that if I let them "get away" with this, what might they think they can change in the future,?
One thing I didn't mention in the OP is they also added the Senior Right-of-Way Agents (who is a PLS)name in the Checked By box, more than likely without his OK.
Make me wonder how you will fair after the next budget crunch that requires a reduction of staff.
jud
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> One thing I didn't mention in the OP is they also added the Senior Right-of-Way Agents (who is a PLS)name in the Checked By box, more than likely without his OK.
THAT MIGHT GET SOME FUR FLYING-
GOTTA LOVE LIVING IN THE BOWELS OF THE BEAST-
+SO DID THEY JUST CLIP REFERENCE IN YOUR DRAWING OR DID THEY BRING IT IN AS A HARD ITEM THAT THEY SCALED UP?
They copied, pasted and edited. Like I said earlier, if they had just copied and pasted I probably wouldn't have an issue, it's the edited part that got me going.
Care to elucidate? I'm protecting my interests, if the powers that be don't like it, I don't want to work for them then.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe they didnt like the "look" of yours. Maybe they want their entire plan set to look like it was created by the same people. Maybe they wanted to tell you to change it but was afraid that youd be butthurt if they did? Who know? I wouldnt sweat it unless you are a big shot there.
No, I don't care to elucidate. The last line of your post, "What's your opinion?", I gave it, you choose what to do with it.
jud
Ok, from what I've read and looked at here, I would say don't go off the deep end on this one. 1) you aren't the licensed surveyor 2) this was revised "in house" 3) It may just be that they wanted a clearer image for their use without all that "survey" stuff on it.
I would say talk to your supervising surveyor first to see if this is SOP.
FTR, I share cad files with architects and engineers that become their 'base maps' fairly regularly. I see them come back around with some of my stuff in different fonts or lineweights etc.. it happens.
Andy
Well, I hate to be contrary, but .....
their drawing is clearer & easier to understand than yours. But, they may not have enough dimensional information - I'd need to see a complete set of plans to know for sure. Having said that, I would agree that if they carried forward your initials and some other's initials without your OK, that would upset me.
While I would have liked someone to come and tell me what they were doing with the drawing, I wouldn't make a big deal out of it.
First off, it's for a "Temporary Construction Permit"....no property in changing hands, and the permit is probably in effect only so long as needed for the project.
For this sort of taking, it seems like they probably just wanted to shown minimal information. If this were an actual ROW Acquisition or a Permanent Easement, perhaps that's a different story.
Even so, it's just an different section of the State agency where you work.....can't the pick and chose what they want to show on their highway plans?
Is there any difference in liability (as far as you are concerned) should anything go wrong?
Well, I hate to be contrary, but .....
> their drawing is clearer & easier to understand than yours. But, they may not have enough dimensional information - I'd need to see a complete set of plans to know for sure. Having said that, I would agree that if they carried forward your initials and some other's initials without your OK, that would upset me.
I agree instead of being so upset he should take them out to lunch and say thank you for making my drawing, which btw isn't mine, since I am not stamping it look better.
It was changed at your company, I would not be upset. Maybe they got tired of making so many changes, they forgot to changed the drawn by.
If it was in house, I'd just tell them if they put someone initials in the "checked by" box, you need to take a look at it. Otherwise I agree with the others, I wouldn't make a big deal of it, we do the same kind of stuff.
"DO NOT TOUCH THE SURVEY"
Big sign in an engineering/surveying firm I worked at.
Paul in PA
"DO NOT TOUCH THE SURVEY"
"DO NOT TOUCH THE SURVEY"
Is this thread discussing a touched up "survey"?
I must have missed it.
Regarding the OP, considering the work produced and for whom, I would not have been upset.
It Was Touched By Other Than The Surveyor
It is not what they did, but they did it without consulting.
It is the principle.
OK now, maybe, next time, serious problem?
Paul in PA