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(@dougie)
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In 1976, Surveyor A subdivides the N1/2 of the W1/2 of the W1/2 of the SE1/4 of the NE1/4 of Sec. 23 into 4 lots and a well site.

In 1976, Surveyor B subdivides the W1/2 of the S1/2 of the W1/2 of the SE1/4 of the NE1/4 of Sec. 23 into 4 lots. He references the 1976 plat and his bearings and distances around the 1/4 and subdivision thereof are identical to Surveyor A's. He shows finding a rebar and cap marked with Surveyor A's number at the Northwest corner of his plat. 0.19' S and 0.12" E.

Neither of these surveyors are in business any more and one is dead. They both had complaints filed against them with the board at least once.

I was hired to survey the north lot in Surveyor B's plat. Where is the Northwest corner of my clients property?

TIA
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Posted : October 4, 2010 11:49 am
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over yonder, near where that iron rod with the little plastic cap is sticking out of the ground.

 
Posted : October 4, 2010 12:38 pm
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In fact, it is so close to where "that iron rod with the little plastic cap is sticking out of the ground" that I would accept it as monumenting the corner!

 
Posted : October 4, 2010 12:49 pm
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Complaints......it is probable that a good many surveyors on here have had some form of complaint filed at one time or another.

0.19' S and 0.12" E of what....your position, or Surveyor A's?

After 34 years, solely on the basis of what you have told us, I'd have to say the corner is where the monument is.

 
Posted : October 4, 2010 12:50 pm
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Did Surveyor B set another rebar, or just note a paper pincushion? I worked for a company up in your area for a few years back in the early 90s. I recall seeing a lot of paper pincushions, and creating a few under the direction of the LS I was working for at the time. Our company, while noting these pincushions usually did not set another mon unless the distance from our calc point was more than 0.5'.

I'm not condoning the practice, just stating what my experience at the time was.

IMO, if there is only 1 rebar present, it marks the corner. If there are two and no landowners have demonstrated an acceptance of one over the other, take the senior one.

Better yet, just pour a big glob of concrete over both, put your own shiny cap right in the middle, locate it, and then report that you found both at the same spot and perpetuated the position with a shiny brass cap on a concrete mon.

 
Posted : October 4, 2010 12:50 pm
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If One Is Going To Be Dishonest.........

......about what one found, at least be smart enough to pull the evidence instead of leaving them there under the blob of concrete.:-P

 
Posted : October 4, 2010 12:53 pm
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> 0.19' S and 0.12" E of what....your position, or Surveyor A's?
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> After 34 years, solely on the basis of what you have told us, I'd have to say the corner is where the monument is.

Surveyor B noted on his plat that he missed surveyor A's cap by that much.

Also, I forgot some important information: I found rebar at all 4 corners of the property.

At the Northwest corner I found a rebar and cap marked with surveyor A's number.

At the Southwest corner I found a rebar and cap with surveyor B's number.

The east line is the centerline of a 60' wide private road and utility easement that was there before either subdivision was created.

I found a rebar and cap with surveyor B's number on the north line but there was a 24" fir tree at 30' so it was east of the west line of the easement.

And I found a 1/2" rebar, no cap on the south line at the west line of the easement.

All of the corners look like they have never been diturbed except for the rebar with no cap.

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Posted : October 4, 2010 1:20 pm
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If One Is Going To Be Dishonest.........

That last comment was tongue in cheek, Angelo.

Besides, who's ever going to look under the concrete!;-)

 
Posted : October 5, 2010 8:52 am
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> In 1976, Surveyor A subdivides the N1/2 of the W1/2 of the W1/2 of the SE1/4 of the NE1/4 of Sec. 23 into 4 lots and a well site.
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> In 1976, Surveyor B subdivides the W1/2 of the S1/2 of the W1/2 of the SE1/4 of the NE1/4 of Sec. 23 into 4 lots. He references the 1976 plat and his bearings and distances around the 1/4 and subdivision thereof are identical to Surveyor A's. He shows finding a rebar and cap marked with Surveyor A's number at the Northwest corner of his plat. 0.19' S and 0.12" E.
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> Neither of these surveyors are in business any more and one is dead. They both had complaints filed against them with the board at least once.
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> I was hired to survey the north lot in Surveyor B's plat. Where is the Northwest corner of my clients property?
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> TIA
> Dugger

I would drop the "W1/2"s and "S1/2"s from the desription, and find other fractions that fit better. Like the W281/564 of the S6754/13512 of the W432/861 of the SE1/4 of the NE1/4 of Sec. 23.

 
Posted : October 5, 2010 10:16 am
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"Besides, who's ever going to look under the concrete..."

Guys like Kent?

😉

 
Posted : October 5, 2010 12:24 pm
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"Besides, who's ever going to look under the concrete..."

> Besides, who's ever going to look under the concrete..."

I have, a few times.

David Hobbs and John Ostly cored out a nice round hole in a driveway once to locate an original tract corner then patched it up.

Looking under concrete is part of the job fellas.

 
Posted : October 7, 2010 6:43 am